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01 Sep 2007, 4:36 pm

The phrase "zip, zip, zip" comes to mind.


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01 Sep 2007, 6:55 pm

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God creates man - man creates god.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?


The egg. DUH.

Dinosaurs were laying eggs looooong before chickens evolved.



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01 Sep 2007, 6:58 pm

It wasn't even obvious that dinosaurs laid eggs until recent, well maybe to those people in the Congo, but not to western nations.



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01 Sep 2007, 7:00 pm

Dinosaurs haven't laid eggs in quite a long time though. :?:



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01 Sep 2007, 7:06 pm

Eh just heard of a native ledgend called Mekele Mbembe which sounds like a sauropod.



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02 Sep 2007, 12:02 am

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Dinosaurs haven't laid eggs in quite a long time though. :?:
Not unless you count crocodiles and their relatives. Some scientists say these creatures are actually dinosaurs. Komodo dragons are another example.

I don't know how old the earth is. Big bang sounds far fetched but then creation a few thousand years ago also requires a leap of faith.


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02 Sep 2007, 5:42 am

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What exactly do you feel the difference is between after-life and after-existence?


Life is connection of mind and body(with all body functions) in the form of organism.
Mind without body would continue to exist (since it's already exist) in the form that is not organism.


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02 Sep 2007, 6:57 am

Are you referring to id?

Mind (as in soul or spirit) has different connotations for different faiths. Pagans (not all but some such as me) believe that upon the death, the id or soul transcends into another form (reincarnates) in a higher plane. Not necessarily a higher organism, but a higher plane. Depending on your Karma. So, if your Karma is good upon death, you may take the next step forward, if it's bad, you may go backward. I'm not sure about Nirvana, but it's possible if we go through enough stages of re-birth, we could reach something so high we could go no further. Pagans don't believe in a heaven and hell as physical places, they are states of being here on earth. Happiness/elation = heaven, and depression/despair = hell.


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02 Sep 2007, 8:24 am

The_Chosen_One wrote:
Are you referring to id?


No,I'm referring to Ego.If you think in Freudian terms,since Id,Ego and Superego are basically concepts created by Freud (Id in particular).
Id is basically instinctive part of personality-the sea in which Ego 'floats'.

The_Chosen_One wrote:
Pagans (not all but some such as me) believe that upon the death, the id or soul transcends into another form (reincarnates) in a higher plane. Not necessarily a higher organism, but a higher plane.


Yes,I know that.


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02 Sep 2007, 12:38 pm

I know people are going to call it a leap of faith, but I'm going to go with the earth being created October 23, 4004 BC. As for the starlight issue I believe Russell Humphrey's cosmology is correct.

PS: I don't believe like Stephen Hawking, but Jane Hawking! :)



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02 Sep 2007, 1:06 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I know people are going to call it a leap of faith, but I'm going to go with the earth being created October 23, 4004 BC. As for the starlight issue I believe Russell Humphrey's cosmology is correct.

PS: I don't believe like Stephen Hawking, but Jane Hawking! :)

You know the Starlight thing was one of the first things that made me have doubts about religious stuff, which obviously contradicts the 6,000 years. I suppose you believe in the literal 6 days of creation.

This creationist cosmology thing, is considered pseudoscience, and with a good reason, because they are trying to come up with theories acomodating science to religion, that said, they will only have an expecting and desired result (e.g. manipulating thing to get a desired one). True science, doesn't expect any desired particular result in which that would be the only one, it is about getting any result, wether they like it or not.


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