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08 Apr 2022, 12:24 pm

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How does Taiwan discriminate against the CCP?

By refusing to be its vassal.

"We" does not refer to the CCP, but to mainland Chinese citizens. I wouldn't call CCP "we".

I did not used the pronoun "we".

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There's a lot of evidence for this, and I need a little time.

Take all the time you want. Take forever, if need be.

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08 Apr 2022, 12:26 pm

I'm not so sure the Nationalists were all that great, either-----but they didn't want to be under the Communists. Hence, the establishment of the Nationalist government in Taiwan under Chiang Kai-Shek.

I don't feel the Nationalists wanted to "stick it" to Mao necessarily---but they certainly didn't want to be under Communist rule in 1949. That holds true to 2022, too.

I wish the CCP would have left Hong Kong alone----and let it proceed along its path.

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08 Apr 2022, 12:44 pm

"Mainland Spouse"/Lu Pei/陆配Chinese WIKI

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Some authors of the Republic of China believe that mainland spouses are treated differently by the government of the Republic of China, and their rights are inferior to foreign spouses.

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Stakeholder: Since the CCP has filtered WIKI, Chinese WIKI entries are mainly maintained by Taiwanese rather than mainland Chinese.

Phoenix.com (Hong Kong media) topic on mainland spouses：

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Almost all of the "mainland brides" contacted by the film crew had the idea of giving up their marriage and returning to their hometown. According to Taiwan's official data, in 2007, there were 6,603 divorces involving foreign and mainland spouses in Taiwan, accounting for 59% of the total.

Widespread and public insults and sexualization of mainland Chinese women.

Lettuce is called "Mainland Girl", which means cheap and tender.
It has appeared in Taiwan media more than once. I suspect it's an everyday language.

TV presenters have publicly promoted the use of ethnic minorities for human trials.

Traditional Chinese in the picture to the effect: (The mainland vaccine is not reliable), Taiwan has many mainland spouses and mainland students, can we let them try it first?
What happens when TV presenters in other countries say that?

The "mainland spouse" still has close contacts with us. We know what happened.

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08 Apr 2022, 12:51 pm

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Personally, I have little enthusiasm for "taking back" Taiwan.
But that doesn't mean I think the KMT（Nationalists） or the DPP are "good".

From historical experience, the KMT's rule over mainland China is worse than that of the CCP. It's not too long ago, so this doesn't need to be "publicity".

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08 Apr 2022, 2:19 pm

Fnord wrote:

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Fnord wrote:

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How does Taiwan discriminate against the CCP?

By refusing to be its vassal.

"We" does not refer to the CCP, but to mainland Chinese citizens. I wouldn't call CCP "we".

I did not used the pronoun "we".

Covering up the real misery of the common people, only emphasizing that the political struggle between rulers is not the work of rational people.
No matter which conflict we are describing.

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08 Apr 2022, 2:28 pm

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The murky line between ethics and reputation control
Companies up and down the supply chain have severed ties with Russia over the past month, citing everything from safety concerns to financial sanctions.

Experts say the shipping industry's 'moral sanctions' against Russian trade are unlike anything 'in the history of mankind'
Hannah Towey
https://www.businessinsider.com/shippin ... ine-2022-4

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08 Apr 2022, 2:30 pm

Ukrainian teens' voices from the middle of war: 'You begin to appreciate what was common and boring for you'
Alexander Motyl, Professor of Political Science, Rutgers University - Newark
Fri, April 8, 2022, 11:50 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-teens- ... 01701.html

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A colleague from Kyiv, Ukraine, whom I’ll call N.M., sent me brief essays her students wrote on what they would do when the war ends. As both a scholar and a novelist, I knew that these voices, which expressed a beautifully straightforward and pure yearning for the simplest things that are lost in war, needed to be heard by the world.

The essays were written in English and N.M., who has a master’s degree in English language and literature, told me she made only “2-3 corrections.” The students attend the 10th and 11th grades at a Kyiv school, are 15 to 17 years old, and hail from the capital city and its suburbs. The essays were written between March 14 and March 18, 2022.

Several themes run through most of the essays. The teens yearn for peace and want to do ordinary things, such as meet family and friends, take walks, enjoy the city. Daily routines have become extraordinary after several weeks of war. All intend to stay in Ukraine. Despair is absent. The students expect the war to end with a Ukrainian victory and they’re decidedly proud to be Ukrainian.

Their optimism is all the more remarkable in light of the essays’ having been written in mid-March, when anything like victory seemed remote. Many of the students have also learned an important existential lesson: Life can be cut short at any time and it’s imperative to live it to the hilt. ...

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08 Apr 2022, 5:19 pm

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I have to say that comparing Xi with Putin is very unfair.
His personal control and his cult of personality would shock the Chinese today.

I found this enlightening.

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08 Apr 2022, 11:05 pm

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But maybe it if those who cared, knew their loved ones lives were on the line, it could perhaps compel them to act against those in power, even more so with more compulsion?

You probably know really little on life of unfree people.

Could you indulge me as to why unfree people could not be motivated to spark a revolution? . . .

Have you really never heard of the Stockholm Syndrome? Look it up sometime.

There is also the phenomenon of oppressors "breaking the spirit" of the oppressed. Slaves were often whipped, beaten, and otherwise tortured for such 'infractions' as making eye contact with their 'masters', speaking without first being spoken to, standing with their heads unbowed, and even standing in the shadows of their 'masters'. This treatment served to instill hopelessness in the minds of the oppressed and squash any rebellious thoughts.[/color]

There is also quite a degree of support for pootin, in Russia.
Well, before he invaded Ukraine.
Some still dream of the old Soviet Union.

A fairly recent poll suggested pootin had about a 65% approval rating.
No idea what that might be now with his bungled invasion.

Oh I see. Well if Russia were to say take over Ukraine, I guess that's it then, and no one will do anything, and that's it?

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09 Apr 2022, 1:22 am

ironpony wrote:

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But maybe it if those who cared, knew their loved ones lives were on the line, it could perhaps compel them to act against those in power, even more so with more compulsion?

You probably know really little on life of unfree people.

Could you indulge me as to why unfree people could not be motivated to spark a revolution? . . .

Oh I see. Well if Russia were to say take over Ukraine, I guess that's it then, and no one will do anything, and that's it?

I imagine there would be a hell of a lot of subversive activity by the Ukrainians.
It would probably be another Afghanistan for the Ruskies.

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09 Apr 2022, 3:31 am

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Experts say the shipping industry's 'moral sanctions' against Russian trade are unlike anything 'in the history of mankind'
Hannah Towey
https://www.businessinsider.com/shippin ... ine-2022-4

"Reputation control" is exactly what makes ethics pay off.
Nothing wrong with it.
We should encourage more of it in areas unrelated to this war (e.g. Amazon vs worker laws), too.

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09 Apr 2022, 4:08 am

I read some dubious unofficial propaganda.

Art - Eurovision - Announces disqualification of Russians
Art - Zurich Opera - Termination of contract for Russian soprano
Academics - European Universities - Expulsion of Russian Students
Academic - Milan, Italy - Banned books by Russian authors
Games - Valve - Russian players or teams need to issue a statement, some teams refuse to play against Russian teams
Individual - Germany - confiscates Russian billionaire's superyacht worth nearly $600 million
Individual-US-Russian billionaires confiscated their villas, yachts and other properties in the United States
Individual - Canada - Passenger plane with Russians seized at airport in northern Canada
Animals - International Cat Love Federation "CFA" - cats in Russia are not allowed to participate in its exhibitions
Plants - "European Tree of the Year" - Disqualification of Russia from the selection of European Tree of the Year

How many of the above are true?

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09 Apr 2022, 5:45 am

I'm not familiar with all of these.
Certainly Eurovision, cat exhibition and a number of sport events banned Russia.
Certainly yachts, villas and other assets Russian oligarchs with close links to Putin had in the West have been frozen or even confiscated (depending on the host state).
I haven't heard of expelling Russian students here - I'm sure I would hear if it happened - but our Uni did suspend all cooperation with Russian institutes. That possibly may include terminating scholarships early.
I don't believe books of Russian authors were banned anywhere in Europe. That would be the strongest possible advertisement of them, no one would want it. It's likely that publishers refused to print new books of Russian authors, though.
I haven't heard of the passenger plane in Canada but most Western countries have closed their airspace to Russian planes.

Generally, these are examples of the "sanctions".

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09 Apr 2022, 7:11 am

So what level is the sanction targeting?
"The government"
"The government and the oligarchs"
"All citizens including individuals"
"All citizens including individuals and cultures of Russian origin"

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09 Apr 2022, 7:21 am

Sanctions happen on multiple levels, from EU central, through local governments, down to individual people and businesses.
Every organization capable of doing sanctions chooses their extent. It's not centralized.

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09 Apr 2022, 7:22 am

I'm not going to upvote the part that I think is "out of bounds".

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