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09 Sep 2023, 6:26 am

 Sorry Anti-Vaxxer 

The purpose of the "Sorry Anti-Vaxxer" site is educational.  With few exceptions, everyone listed here is or was an anti-vaxxer activist, helping spread COVID-19 misinformation on social media.

On another note, the Herman Cain Award is an ironic award given to people who expressed hesitancy toward COVID-19 vaccines or face masks, and who later died from COVID-19 or its complications.  The award is named after American businessman and political figure Herman Cain, a Republican politician who died of COVID-19 complications after attending a 2020 Trump Tulsa rally in support of then-President Donald Trump without wearing a face mask.

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09 Sep 2023, 10:42 am

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Yes we do need that. Sick and injured people are not an opportunity to make profit.

Ummm, actually, yes they are.. have you not noticed that even very wealthy people are willing to part with exorbitant amounts of money for treatments, procedures, and medications that will extend their lifespans?

It's quite possibly the largest potential pool of people to profit from because people will liquidate their fortunes in order to stay alive.


Firstly, that is a horrendous, unethical attitude of the medical profession if they see sick and injured people as an opportunity to make money. Disgusting. Don't they take the Hippocratic Oath anymore? What on earth is happening to the human race.

Secondly, I don't think those treatments you mention are vital, they sound like placebos to make wealthy people think they are getting immortality or some such nonsense.

I am talking about ordinary, non wealthy people who need life saving treatments and operations e.g. for terminal cancer. Those should NOT be seen as opportunities to make money.

I feel ill now, what a horrible attitude to see sick and injured people as a way to make money. If anyone thinks that is the morally and ethically correct attitude there is something seriously wrong with them. Whatever happened to care and compassion?


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09 Sep 2023, 11:58 am

KitLily wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
KitLily wrote:
Yes we do need that. Sick and injured people are not an opportunity to make profit.

Ummm, actually, yes they are.. have you not noticed that even very wealthy people are willing to part with exorbitant amounts of money for treatments, procedures, and medications that will extend their lifespans?

It's quite possibly the largest potential pool of people to profit from because people will liquidate their fortunes in order to stay alive.


Firstly, that is a horrendous, unethical attitude of the medical profession if they see sick and injured people as an opportunity to make money. Disgusting. Don't they take the Hippocratic Oath anymore? What on earth is happening to the human race.

Secondly, I don't think those treatments you mention are vital, they sound like placebos to make wealthy people think they are getting immortality or some such nonsense.

I am talking about ordinary, non wealthy people who need life saving treatments and operations e.g. for terminal cancer. Those should NOT be seen as opportunities to make money.

I feel ill now, what a horrible attitude to see sick and injured people as a way to make money. If anyone thinks that is the morally and ethically correct attitude there is something seriously wrong with them. Whatever happened to care and compassion?

I never said I liked it, I'm just acknowledging that it is what it is.

Take a look at the profits of the pharmaceutical industry. Exorbitant. These people are not doing a public service for the good of peoples' health. They're making as much money as they possibly can off of pharmaceutical patents, pure and simple.

You think a huge number of medical doctors aren't also profit motivated? Probably a good half of them or so. That's why they choose a path to a career that can make them $400k USD/year as a specialist. They see sick people as their ticket to a luxury home/car/vacation/golf club membership type lifestyle. It's been this way for easily the better part of a Century now.

One of my UK born Canadian friends went to medical school in Grenada (he was unsuccessful after the first year) and told me there are 3 types of students in medical school. About 1/2 are there for the money, about 1/2 are there because their parents are making them, and 1% or so are there because they want to be doctors -> and those are the ones who all make it.

Even here in Canada I'm sure quite a number of people choose medicine for the $$, especially as specialists.. which is why we lack GP's - more work, more paperwork, less money. I'm sure many doctors like the system that they can only see x # of patients per day so they cycle through them as fast as possible and finish their work day by 1pm or whatever and f off to the golf course or wherever.

You'd have to be "wilfully blind," as they say in legal terms, to not see and acknowledge that medicine/pharmaceuticals/doctors etc reap MASSIVE profits and many-to-most of those working in those fields are doing so for the money and the lifestyle/power etc it affords them.


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09 Sep 2023, 12:12 pm

Once again.. the intent of the wording of the above Post by Kitlilly , i believe to be spot on ..
And is at the core of this situation .
Do believe the concept of Hippocratic , Oath. NEEDS obvious change in the word to " Hippocritical Oath"

It is pretty rare these days ," I think" to find a doctor whose interest goes beyond making money .
But it is "imminently important to them to keep you alive" if you have any hope being a possible source of Income to them or other Doctors . Think it. might be the new version of a hippocritical Oath.
You. are prized patient real estate if they can make you into a long term patient. .. profit making ,bio-organism.
Attention to symptoms and dealing with those when they appear , possibly with the help of a N.D. (Naturopath)
Using natural methods to address dis "ease" will give your nody the best opportunity to heal itself .
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09 Sep 2023, 12:25 pm

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" Hippocritical Oath"


The last thing doctors want is to beef with murderous water ponies that take names off the census for the lulz.

One needs to be brave to be hippo-critical.

On the other hand, being hypocritical is easy.


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09 Sep 2023, 3:40 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
KitLily wrote:
Firstly, that is a horrendous, unethical attitude of the medical profession if they see sick and injured people as an opportunity to make money. Disgusting. Don't they take the Hippocratic Oath anymore? What on earth is happening to the human race.

Secondly, I don't think those treatments you mention are vital, they sound like placebos to make wealthy people think they are getting immortality or some such nonsense.

I am talking about ordinary, non wealthy people who need life saving treatments and operations e.g. for terminal cancer. Those should NOT be seen as opportunities to make money.

I feel ill now, what a horrible attitude to see sick and injured people as a way to make money. If anyone thinks that is the morally and ethically correct attitude there is something seriously wrong with them. Whatever happened to care and compassion?

I never said I liked it, I'm just acknowledging that it is what it is.

Take a look at the profits of the pharmaceutical industry. Exorbitant. These people are not doing a public service for the good of peoples' health. They're making as much money as they possibly can off of pharmaceutical patents, pure and simple.

You think a huge number of medical doctors aren't also profit motivated? Probably a good half of them or so. That's why they choose a path to a career that can make them $400k USD/year as a specialist. They see sick people as their ticket to a luxury home/car/vacation/golf club membership type lifestyle. It's been this way for easily the better part of a Century now.

One of my UK born Canadian friends went to medical school in Grenada (he was unsuccessful after the first year) and told me there are 3 types of students in medical school. About 1/2 are there for the money, about 1/2 are there because their parents are making them, and 1% or so are there because they want to be doctors -> and those are the ones who all make it.

Even here in Canada I'm sure quite a number of people choose medicine for the $$, especially as specialists.. which is why we lack GP's - more work, more paperwork, less money. I'm sure many doctors like the system that they can only see x # of patients per day so they cycle through them as fast as possible and finish their work day by 1pm or whatever and f off to the golf course or wherever.

You'd have to be "wilfully blind," as they say in legal terms, to not see and acknowledge that medicine/pharmaceuticals/doctors etc reap MASSIVE profits and many-to-most of those working in those fields are doing so for the money and the lifestyle/power etc it affords them.


I'm sorry Goldfish, I didn't mean you liked it, I was trying to focus on the medical people who are liking and approving of this terrible attitude. But I'm glad that you clarified that you didn't like it. That is an important distinction to make.

I am quite happy to be wilfully blind to these heartless, cruel, disgusting medical people who make profits out of sick and injured people. It is 100% wrong and I'm happy to be one of the people who condemns it and is disgusted by it.

I think it has not been like this in Britain for as long as a century, because until recently we haven't had widespread private medicine with people earning vast amounts of money. NHS workers earn mediocre wages. We don't pay on the door for our treatment, it is paid for by our national insurance by everyone supporting their fellow citizens. But it's getting like that here- private medicine taking over everywhere.

Once again, it is a disgusting attitude to see suffering people as a ticket to gaining lots of money. My husband is a nurse- he went into the profession to HELP OTHERS. As all medical people should do. It must be horrendous living in the US and knowing medical professionals are only there for the money.


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10 Sep 2023, 7:04 am

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at ~95 years old their immune system is so run down they can't fight off a simple cold virus anymore.

Basically, I wouldn't worry too much about it.


I guess who cares if they die? And even for mild cases, there's long covid, and in studies it's been shown to attack heart muscles and invade the brain too... so, I guess, nothing to worry about, might as well stick a fork in those organs...



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10 Sep 2023, 1:15 pm

sodepressed wrote:
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at ~95 years old their immune system is so run down they can't fight off a simple cold virus anymore.

Basically, I wouldn't worry too much about it.


I guess who cares if they die? And even for mild cases, there's long covid, and in studies it's been shown to attack heart muscles and invade the brain too... so, I guess, nothing to worry about, might as well stick a fork in those organs...


I never said that. And I never said to go cough in their faces or anything.

Simple fact is that elderly people catch a simple cold or flu virus and it kills them. That's legitimately what happens. Nothing we can do about that.

(Pre covid) Some middle aged woman with a cold kept coming in and visiting her mom in the old folks home my grandmother was in, then my grandmother got sick and died. Pretty sure the cold was from that woman that shouldn't have been visiting while sick. But if it wasn't from her at that time, it was from someone and would have been from someone else soon otherwise because my grandmother was 95 years old and her immune system was no longer strong enough to fight off a cold. We don't put people in bubbles to see if they can live to 105. We don't try to kill them, either.. but, simple fact is that people catch a cold or flu and die. Such is the cycle of life.


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10 Sep 2023, 11:45 pm

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Do they really work?


People who received a new COVID-19 vaccine booster were more likely to contract COVID-19 than people who received no COVID-19 vaccine doses, according to a new study of prisons in California.

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Yet, using p<0.05 as the threshold for statistical significance, the bivalent-vaccinated group had a slightly but statistically significantly higher infection rate than the unvaccinated group in the statewide category and the age ≥50 years category.

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https://archive.md/UZA1G
https://www.cureus.com/articles/179946- ... t-study#!/ (If paywalled in your country the archive is the same paper)



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21 Sep 2023, 11:27 am

I read on Politifact there's a total filthy lie being posted that people who "got the jab" are no longer human.

Ha! Don't I wish? If only it were that simple to become inhuman. Many NTs already think we aren't, anyway.

I still haven't gotten covid, yet, to my knowledge, anyway. It's been several years since I've even gotten a cold. Living a life of desolate isolation long before this pandemic can be good sometimes.