Would there have been war if religion hadn't come in being ?

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I provided proof throughout this thread that he wasn’t an atheist. He talked about God frequently even towards the end of his life.

The only people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job are conspiracy theorists.

You gave two quotes from Hitler, one from Mein Kampf in 1925 and the other from 1944 in a radio broadcast.

A radio broadcast (a forum for a politician to reveal the deep philosophical motives of his being, not at all propaganda ).

I'm not sure why you assume Hitler tells the truth?

I suppose you believe that every statement he came out with was a profound inner working and reflection of honesty?

Are we talking about the same Hitler?

He comes across to me as being all over the place with his thoughts on God and religion or a lack of either.

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You are free to think what you want to, but as it stands, there’s no proof that he was an atheist. There IS proof that he believed in God in some fashion. Religious people have committed many atrocities throughout history, so it’s not like being a psychopath precludes religiosity.

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There are and have been plenty of religious psychopaths I am sure.

Religious people commit atrocities because they are human and have the faults of being human. Not necessarily because of any serious literary investment in a particular aspect of religious belief.

I think the evidence for Hitler believing in God in some fashion is very weak, so yes, I am free to think what I want to.

As far as the main topic is concerned, without religion, there wouldn’t have been the Crusades/holy wars, wars between Catholics and Protestants, or wars related to Jihads and other Muslim terrorist organizations.

There’d still be other wars but, perhaps, there’d be fewer overall.

The evidence for Hitler not believing in some sort of god is even weaker though.

It's probably fair to conclude there isn't enough evidence to say for certain, but that he was likely a not-very-devout Christian or that he was a deist or that he was agnostic.

Unless Hitler never got around to mentioning he was atheist because he was too busy bragging about being vegan.

^ I thought Hitler was a vegetarian, not a vegan?

Also, Germany (and Europe) at the time of world war two was largely influenced by the church and by the time Germany was attacking Russia, it was sensible to profess Christian faith for propaganda purposes, in an effort to distinguish the Germans from the Soviets, who were stereotypically more atheist than anyone else at that point in history, apart from perhaps the Chinese who played a lesser role in the war.

In my opinion, if ever there are any quotes such as in radio broadcasts where Hitler claims to be theistic in some way, I would wager he did that to boost the morale of Christian Germans, and not because he believed any of the BS he peddled.

Edit: Appealing to God in times of wars is a morale boosting tactic, as well as anything else.

I believe you're correct, I'm mostly thinking of the joke: When you meet an atheist, vegan pilot, which one does he make sure to bring up unprompted first?

Oh right haha.

I find it funny that Hitler was a vegetarian in any case. I think he did it for reasons of digestion rather than for his profound love of animals.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

Well. This has been an interesting read.

Do you mean the thread or the article you posted?

If you mean the former, then thanks!

I was referring to the link I posted. It seems that Hitler was difficult to define in any sense. I suppose that's to be expected.