Could neo-paganism be the new ‘religion’ of America?

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11 Dec 2023, 10:26 pm

I've always felt America's "true" religion was money.

Even things like wicca and neo-paganism seems to revolve heavily around buying useless overpriced crap like worthless crystals and stinky scented candles for the God and Goddess altars.


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11 Dec 2023, 11:55 pm

RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
Even things like wicca and neo-paganism seems to revolve heavily around buying useless overpriced crap like worthless crystals and stinky scented candles for the God and Goddess altars.

I'm guessing you don't know what they do with those crystals and candles. :wink:


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12 Dec 2023, 12:21 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
Even things like wicca and neo-paganism seems to revolve heavily around buying useless overpriced crap like worthless crystals and stinky scented candles for the God and Goddess altars.

I'm guessing you don't know what they do with those crystals and candles. :wink:



I spent so many years playing with witchcraft I think I have a pretty good idea. :lol:


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17 Dec 2023, 5:53 pm

Paganism has always been the religion of the USA...



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17 Dec 2023, 7:13 pm

Nagolbud wrote:
Paganism has always been the religion of the USA...

That's obviously not the case.

Christianity has always been the majority religion here, although that may change in the future if current trends continue.

By the way, when people use the word "Paganism" (with a capital P) here, they are usually referring not to all non-Christian religions, but rather to a specific modern religious movement that aims to revive the worship of ancient pre-Christian European and/or Middle-Eastern deities.


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17 Dec 2023, 7:18 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
Nagolbud wrote:
Paganism has always been the religion of the USA...

That's obviously not the case.

Christianity has always been the majority religion here, although that may change in the future if current trends continue.

By the way, when people use the word "Paganism" (with a capital P) here, they are usually referring not to all non-Christian religions, but rather to a specific modern religious movement that aims to revive the worship of ancient pre-Christian European and/or Middle-Eastern deities.


It's a cute story... but America was never "Christian". It was started by Freemasons funded by their statists from Europe... Hence VIRGINia and MARYland. Catholic states that enforced the federalization of all states.

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17 Dec 2023, 7:26 pm

↑ She did not say that America was a Christian nation, but that "Christianity has always been the majority religion here".

Please pay attention.


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17 Dec 2023, 7:33 pm

Nagolbud wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Nagolbud wrote:
Paganism has always been the religion of the USA...

That's obviously not the case.

Christianity has always been the majority religion here, although that may change in the future if current trends continue.

By the way, when people use the word "Paganism" (with a capital P) here, they are usually referring not to all non-Christian religions, but rather to a specific modern religious movement that aims to revive the worship of ancient pre-Christian European and/or Middle-Eastern deities.


It's a cute story... but America was never "Christian". It was started by Freemasons funded by their statists from Europe... Hence VIRGINia and MARYland. Catholic states that enforced the federalization of all states.


Imagine insisting Catholics aren't Christians and expecting to be taken seriously afterwards. :lol:


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17 Dec 2023, 7:36 pm

The closest you get to a Pagan Goddess in America is Lady Columbia.

https://eastindiabloggingco.com/2020/11 ... -columbia/


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17 Dec 2023, 7:43 pm

It's probably fair to say that the United States has a largely Judao-Christian founding along with esoteric ride-alongs such as Hermetic, Rosicrucian, and Freemasonic influence (which are all interwoven - at least through Freemasonry). You also have the Dutch Pennsylvanian folk magic (Hexenmeisters, Brauche / Pow-wow practitioners, etc.). There was also a lot of influence in the 19th century pulled in from both earlier writings of Jacob Boehme and more contemporary writings of Immanuel Swedenborg.

The US has always had esotericism for the egg-heads but overall, at a public level, the center of gravity has been exoteric forms of Christianity as well as some degree Judaism. Plenty of esotericism in small immigrant communities, plenty of it at least in early Freemasonry (where it was mystical humanism rather than secular humanism).


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17 Dec 2023, 7:49 pm

Nagolbud wrote:
It's a cute story... but America was never "Christian". It was started by Freemasons funded by their statists from Europe... Hence VIRGINia and MARYland. Catholic states that enforced the federalization of all states.

1) Your apparent connection between Freemasonry and Catholicism makes no sense. Catholics are forbidden to be Freemasons.

2) You appear to be implying that Catholics are not Christian. But the Roman Catholic Church is indeed Christian. It is one of the oldest Christian organizations in the world. Protestants are Christian too, but are a much newer branch.

3) Yes, Maryland was indeed originally founded as a refuge for British Catholics. But Virginia's name, on the other hand, had nothing to do with Catholicism. Virginia was named after Britain's "Virgin Queen," Elizabeth I. And Catholics were far from a majority in any of the British American colonies except for Maryland.

4) It is true that the U.S.A. was not founded as a Christian nation per se. (See the Treaty of Tripoli.) But that doesn't make it a "Pagan" nation either. The U.S.A. is a nation whose constitution forbids government sponsorship of any religion.


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17 Dec 2023, 10:14 pm

Neo-Paganism is nothing new.

The growing dominant 'religion' in America seems to be more like a form of secular agnosticism.


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