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12 Feb 2025, 7:49 pm

For years I was always trying my best to fit in and failing miserably. I was trying to be the person others wanted me to be when it was like trying to fit a round peg into a square hole!
It took me three or four decades to say to myself "Stuff this! I am going to be me, and if you don't like it, tough!"
This gave me a big sense of relief. It didn't solve the problems with connecting and it did not happen just like that, as I am still finding myself masking... But so what if I talk too much because I don't want to lose my train of thought when I open up.
So what if I do other autistic things associated with me! I should not feel guilty! If I bore someone silly and they politely walk away, I have not lost anything. They don't feel bad towards me so why should I blame myself?
Is when we realize that we should not worry about who we are or trying to be someone we are not, but just forgiving ourselves and enjoying who we are without condemning ourselves. Have a chuckle when I watch someone getting bored as I infodump! After all. When I was young I hardly spoke a word! Come on world! I have talking to catch up with! :D :D :D



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12 Feb 2025, 8:05 pm

It's still a struggle for me. I've had a life (at times) of being made fun, getting yelled at, corrected, and everything I seemed to do was wrong. At 44 it's gotten better but I still have my walls up so to speak, as more of a defense mechanism. In a Nutshell I was taught how to mask, without even knowing what was until my 40s! No wonder I suffer from workplace burnout and burnout on the world.

I am done apologizing and feeling guilty for being who I am. Those days are over.


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12 Feb 2025, 8:27 pm

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12 Feb 2025, 9:37 pm

I heard Derren Brown say that the most common regret people have on their deathbeds is that they wish they'd lived their lives more for themselves instead of trying to be people pleasers. (I paraphrase)

Personally, I'm not always sure how to distinguish between unhealthy fitting in and the use of courtesy / generosity for mutual co-existence with others. It's obvious at the extremes, but it can be hard to be certain in borderline cases. Of course it's good when it comes natural to like helping others, but when you don't feel like it, where do you draw the line between helping them and helping yourself?



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12 Feb 2025, 10:34 pm

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13 Feb 2025, 9:30 am

King Kat 1 wrote:
It's still a struggle for me. I've had a life (at times) of being made fun, getting yelled at, corrected, and everything I seemed to do was wrong. At 44 it's gotten better but I still have my walls up so to speak, as more of a defense mechanism. In a Nutshell I was taught how to mask, without even knowing what was until my 40s! No wonder I suffer from workplace burnout and burnout on the world.

I am done apologizing and feeling guilty for being who I am. Those days are over.


Is interesting you say you were taught how to mask. Not heard being taught how before. I developed masking myself. It was self taught and comes in more than one form.



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13 Feb 2025, 10:28 am

I find socializing much easier when I wear female clothes. I have a small petite hourglass figure.
When I wore male clothes folks would have difficulty figuring out my gender.
I'm sure it would help to be taller and gain weight, but the doctors don't have any practical way of fixing that.



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13 Feb 2025, 12:11 pm

King Kat 1 wrote:
It's still a struggle for me. I've had a life (at times) of being made fun, getting yelled at, corrected, and everything I seemed to do was wrong. At 44 it's gotten better but I still have my walls up so to speak, as more of a defense mechanism. In a Nutshell I was taught how to mask, without even knowing what was until my 40s! No wonder I suffer from workplace burnout and burnout on the world.

I am done apologizing and feeling guilty for being who I am. Those days are over.
I experienced this as well but I don't think I ever really learned how to mask. I tend to be quiet & withdrawn with others. I also avoid doing certain things in public or around others like my family but I don't think of it as masking, I see it as following required rules. I think of masking as pretending to be somebody I'm not which I don't know how to do.


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13 Feb 2025, 12:54 pm

BTDT wrote:
I find socializing much easier when I wear female clothes. I have a small petite hourglass figure.
When I wore male clothes folks would have difficulty figuring out my gender.
I'm sure it would help to be taller and gain weight, but the doctors don't have any practical way of fixing that.


Just out of interest to comprehend what you mean and also a question. Which were you born with? And do you think dressing up in the opposite gender to that could be a form of hiding your autism traits? (Masking?) I only ask out of interest.



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13 Feb 2025, 1:40 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
For years I was always trying my best to fit in and failing miserably. I was trying to be the person others wanted me to be when it was like trying to fit a round peg into a square hole!
It took me three or four decades to say to myself "Stuff this! I am going to be me, and if you don't like it, tough!"
This gave me a big sense of relief. It didn't solve the problems with connecting and it did not happen just like that, as I am still finding myself masking... But so what if I talk too much because I don't want to lose my train of thought when I open up.
So what if I do other autistic things associated with me! I should not feel guilty! If I bore someone silly and they politely walk away, I have not lost anything. They don't feel bad towards me so why should I blame myself?
Is when we realize that we should not worry about who we are or trying to be someone we are not, but just forgiving ourselves and enjoying who we are without condemning ourselves. Have a chuckle when I watch someone getting bored as I infodump! After all. When I was young I hardly spoke a word! Come on world! I have talking to catch up with! :D :D :D


Exactly, good for you! While I'm as awkward as it gets and can't keep the conversation going for longer than 30 seconds, from my experience the majority of NTs aren't all too pleasant either, even when they're not engaging in patronizing or dismissive behaviour (which is quite often). Their interests are as boring to me as mine are to them. I don't like their emotional-fake-sounding kind of socialising just as much as they don't like my direct approach. So if I'm annoying to them, the feeling is mutual :twisted:



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13 Feb 2025, 4:53 pm

People pleasing is so so so hard for me to unlearn...


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13 Feb 2025, 5:15 pm

Currently I refuse to be anyone but myself on principle. And because I can't. For a few years in high school I tried to pretend to be "normal" in an effort to make NT friends and it was a disaster. Now I always be myself and I get along well with autists and I couldn't care less what NTs think.

BTDT wrote:
I find socializing much easier when I wear female clothes. I have a small petite hourglass figure.
When I wore male clothes folks would have difficulty figuring out my gender.
I'm sure it would help to be taller and gain weight, but the doctors don't have any practical way of fixing that.

That's interesting ... my situation is the exact opposite. I'm ridiculously tall, my appearance is strongly male, and I don't want to look that way but when I present more neutrally I look absurd and it probably makes it harder to socialize. I don't care though. I like looking weird because I am weird.


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13 Feb 2025, 6:11 pm

colliegrace wrote:
People pleasing is so so so hard for me to unlearn...
My girlfriend is on the spectrum & she was taught by family to be a major people pleaser. She feels worthless when she cant. The person who's been the most manipulative about it is her younger brother who's been diagnosed with autism since he was very little. It's probably why Cass usually finds me easy to deal with. I wish I had some advice here.


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