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Stargazer99
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17 Mar 2025, 2:49 pm

Don’t allow anyone to talk you into that BS.

It’s sick people who target anyone they don’t understand.

Conversion Therapy is torture.

Say NO to all forms of abuse.



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24 Mar 2025, 12:36 pm

I'm one who deals with the self-loathing of my identity, but it fixes nothing. All it does is cause more problems and more identity struggles.



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25 Mar 2025, 12:38 pm

ChaosCascade wrote:
I'm one who deals with the self-loathing of my identity, but it fixes nothing. All it does is cause more problems and more identity struggles.


You are likely replaying old tapes of outdated family expectations of you which were created by society’s desire to control the population. You are different from NT for a reason, to see the world in a much broader and deeper way. You have gifts that they don’t. You only need to free your mind from their constraints.



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25 Mar 2025, 10:05 pm

Stargazer99 wrote:
ChaosCascade wrote:
I'm one who deals with the self-loathing of my identity, but it fixes nothing. All it does is cause more problems and more identity struggles.


You are likely replaying old tapes of outdated family expectations of you which were created by society’s desire to control the population. You are different from NT for a reason, to see the world in a much broader and deeper way. You have gifts that they don’t. You only need to free your mind from their constraints.


Many of my family support gays though some are homophobic but not violently. Just not supporting marriages, adoption, or making wedding cakes. Personally, I don't feel bothered about it or say anything when I hear it because I feel it doesn't really affect me. It also has to do with me being a nationalist and I sometimes join in on making jokes on LGBT stuff. I don't want to come out because I don't want to be seen as less of a man.



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25 Mar 2025, 10:49 pm

ChaosCascade wrote:
I don't want to come out because I don't want to be seen as less of a man.


Guys who'd treat you as less of a man because you're gay are usually mentally closer to boys.

Among things, there's hypermasculine gay subcultures, masculinity isn't defined by who you feel attracted to and some portion of the overly-feminine stereotype that gets used is the result of society historically marginalizing people who weren't aligned with gender understandings at the time—the end result being their break with gender norms was conflated with their sexuality instead of people considering that the two might just exist alongside each other.

Gay and bi men who could pass as straight didn't contribute to gay stereotypes, meanwhile the more swishy ones did. Even swishy straight men often were assumed to be gay in some circles, regardless of their actual orientation (like Richard Simmons).


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26 Mar 2025, 1:01 am

funeralxempire wrote:
ChaosCascade wrote:
I don't want to come out because I don't want to be seen as less of a man.


Guys who'd treat you as less of a man because you're gay are usually mentally closer to boys.

Among things, there's hypermasculine gay subcultures, masculinity isn't defined by who you feel attracted to and some portion of the overly-feminine stereotype that gets used is the result of society historically marginalizing people who weren't aligned with gender understandings at the time—the end result being their break with gender norms was conflated with their sexuality instead of people considering that the two might just exist alongside each other.

Gay and bi men who could pass as straight didn't contribute to gay stereotypes, meanwhile the more swishy ones did. Even swishy straight men often were assumed to be gay in some circles, regardless of their actual orientation (like Richard Simmons).


My homosexuality resembles Yukio Mishima's. He's really the only gay figure I feel I could truly connect with.



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26 Mar 2025, 7:13 am

Honestly I thought these "conversions" are not a thing anymore. It's waste of resources to make one into somebody who they aren't and will never be. Merely a torture, as said.

ChaosCascade wrote:
[...] and I sometimes join in on making jokes on LGBT stuff

It's IMO not bad*, the fact you belong to something doesn't mean you must have no distance towards it
*Assuming these jokes contain actual humor and not pure hate speech, of course

ChaosCascade wrote:
I don't want to come out because I don't want to be seen as less of a man.

My question is, why would ye care?
"Being a man" anyway is very ambiguous and usually meant as a set of unreasonable, toxic "rules" and "values" (i.e. "real men" should be violent, "real men" don't cry, need no mental help... etc) which sometimes go as absurd as vegetable peelers being "for fa***ts" (Whatever that means) as "real men" peel with knife or beat their wives to do that.

Be yourself, being gay or whatever doesn't make you inferior/superior just as it's with autism.
... And normal is boring, by the way :>


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27 Mar 2025, 1:56 am

conversion therapy is futile, you are who you are



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27 Mar 2025, 2:06 am

ChaosCascade wrote:
My homosexuality resembles Yukio Mishima's. He's really the only gay figure I feel I could truly connect with.


To paraphrase Lindsay Nikole: That you know of.

It's not like he's the only queer right-wing nationalist.


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27 Mar 2025, 6:40 pm

Hetzer wrote:
Honestly I thought these "conversions" are not a thing anymore. It's waste of resources to make one into somebody who they aren't and will never be. Merely a torture, as said.

ChaosCascade wrote:
[...] and I sometimes join in on making jokes on LGBT stuff

It's IMO not bad*, the fact you belong to something doesn't mean you must have no distance towards it
*Assuming these jokes contain actual humor and not pure hate speech, of course

ChaosCascade wrote:
I don't want to come out because I don't want to be seen as less of a man.

My question is, why would ye care?
"Being a man" anyway is very ambiguous and usually meant as a set of unreasonable, toxic "rules" and "values" (i.e. "real men" should be violent, "real men" don't cry, need no mental help... etc) which sometimes go as absurd as vegetable peelers being "for fa***ts" (Whatever that means) as "real men" peel with knife or beat their wives to do that.

Be yourself, being gay or whatever doesn't make you inferior/superior just as it's with autism.
... And normal is boring, by the way :>


Really depends on setting, I wondered if I were to get a romance, I'd just get a beard. Mainly because of my desire for a trad relationship. I do want to at least experiment with women but it seems hard to approach or talk to them. Or even start a convo.