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04 Apr 2025, 8:37 am

GOP Rep Quotes Infamous Nazi Joseph Goebbels During Censorship Hearing

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A Republican congressman appalled Democrats at a congressional hearing by quoting infamous Nazi Joseph Goebbels.

“A direct quote from Joseph Goebbels: ‘It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion,’ and I think that may be what we’re discussing here,” said Texas’ Keith Self.

Goebbels was the minister of propaganda for the Third Reich under Adolf Hitler. His role was to convince the German people to support Hitler’s regime, which he did so by spreading anti-Semitism and orchestrating the 1933 burning of “un-German” books in Berlin.

Self, 72, referenced Goebbels’ words during a House subcommittee meeting aimed at determining whether a “censorship industrial complex” existed. The Tuesday hearing was held after Republicans claimed that Biden-era policies aimed to stifle rightwing views.

Texas Democrat Rep. Julie Johnson heavily criticized Self’s remarks.

She later posted the clip of Self on X with the comment, “Joseph Goebbels was a literal Nazi and one of Hitler’s closest allies. To my Republican colleagues, it is probably best not to quote him during a congressional hearing.”

Self rebutted that Johnson’s “framing is completely misleading.”

He said: “I was referring to the philosophy of Nina Jankowicz, the former head of Biden’s Disinformation Governance Board. Probably best not to throw stones when your party supported funneling millions of dollars through Biden’s State Dept. to shape public opinion.”

At the hearing, Jankowicz, the leader of a pro-democracy organization and former executive director of the Disinformation Governance Board, said that “the premise of this hearing, the so called censorship industrial complex, is a fiction that has not only had profound impacts on my life and safety, but on our national security.” She later added that the “fiction is itself suppressing speech and stymieing critical research that protects our country.”

Despite Self’s defense, it isn’t the first time he’s used Goebbel quotes.

He cited the Nazi in 2010 when he was running for reelection as Collin County Judge. At the time, he tried to bite back at his opponent by saying, “if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” At the time, he claimed he was only using the widely-circulated yet unsubstantiated Goebbels quote to show that his opponent was “using the method.”

HuffPost reported that Self’s office did not directly comment on his bizarre Nazi quotes but instead said: “It is indisputable that the Biden administration weaponized its State Department to censor and suppress American citizens from their right to free speech.”

Self also recently received backlash after misgendering Rep. Sarah McBride (D-DE), the first openly transgender congresswoman.


It is MAGA derangement syndrome to think he was advocating for Goebbels policies. He was calling the Biden Administration Nazis. This is despicable enough as it is. No need to make it what it is not. It just makes progressives look deranged.


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04 Apr 2025, 12:51 pm

I thought Texas' House delegation couldn't get any crazier than Louie Gohmert or Chip Roy. I was wrong.


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04 Apr 2025, 7:17 pm

So its not just trump who keep's copies of Nazi speeches near his bedside? Curious if its illegal to quote Hitler or Goebbels?



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04 Apr 2025, 7:37 pm

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So its not just trump who keep's copies of Nazi speeches near his bedside? Curious if its illegal to quote Hitler or Goebbels?

It is protected speech in America.


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04 Apr 2025, 7:49 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
cyberdora wrote:
So its not just trump who keep's copies of Nazi speeches near his bedside? Curious if its illegal to quote Hitler or Goebbels?

It is protected speech in America.


Where I live in Victoria Australia, there is a "Prohibition of Nazi Symbols and Gestures law":
The law in Victoria prohibits publicly quoting Hitler or other prominent Nazis or displaying Nazi symbols or gestures, including those that closely resemble them.
Exceptions to the Prohibition:
There are several exceptions to this rule, including:
For genuine academic, artistic, educational, or scientific purposes.
In making or publishing a fair and accurate report of any event or matter of public interest.
For genuine cultural or religious purposes.
In opposition to Nazism or related ideologies.
Penalties:
The penalty for committing an offense could be fines of up to $23,000, 12 months in prison, or both.



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04 Apr 2025, 8:20 pm

cyberdora wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
cyberdora wrote:
So its not just trump who keep's copies of Nazi speeches near his bedside? Curious if its illegal to quote Hitler or Goebbels?

It is protected speech in America.


Where I live in Victoria Australia, there is a "Prohibition of Nazi Symbols and Gestures law":
The law in Victoria prohibits publicly quoting Hitler or other prominent Nazis or displaying Nazi symbols or gestures, including those that closely resemble them.
Exceptions to the Prohibition:
There are several exceptions to this rule, including:
For genuine academic, artistic, educational, or scientific purposes.
In making or publishing a fair and accurate report of any event or matter of public interest.
For genuine cultural or religious purposes.
In opposition to Nazism or related ideologies.
Penalties:
The penalty for committing an offense could be fines of up to $23,000, 12 months in prison, or both.

America is an outlier in this regard. Most speech is allowed. Exceptions are speech that is defamatory. Those are not police matters. Speech that poses an imminent threat is not allowed. There was a very famous case in the 70s where the courts allowed Nazis to march through a neighborhood populated by a lot of holocaust survivors.

The arguments for America’s free speech near absolutism is that without threat of jail bad people will be more open and thus we have a better idea with what you are dealing with. Another argument is that someday things change and what you believe might be considered hateful opening you up to legal repercussions. Another take is that what is considered hate speech today is actually a good idea ahead of it’s time.


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04 Apr 2025, 8:27 pm

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America is an outlier in this regard. Most speech is allowed. Exceptions are speech that is defamatory. Those are not police matters. Speech that poses an imminent threat is not allowed. There was a very famous case in the 70s where the courts allowed Nazis to march through a neighborhood populated by a lot of holocaust survivors.

The arguments for America’s free speech near absolutism is that without threat of jail bad people will be more open and thus we have a better idea with what you are dealing with. Another argument is that someday things change and what you believe might be considered hateful opening you up to legal repercussions. Another take is that what is considered hate speech today is actually a good idea ahead of it’s time.


the whole freedom of speech thing only applies if its right wing. Response from those spouting hate speech is "suck it up" and "be a man".
On the flipside they also want to cancel/prohibit "woke" speech or publications. It never quite gels how cancelling "woke" is actually a breach of the same constitutional laws they hide behind.



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04 Apr 2025, 9:24 pm

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It is MAGA derangement syndrome to think he was advocating for Goebbels policies. He was calling the Biden Administration Nazis. This is despicable enough as it is. No need to make it what it is not. It just makes progressives look deranged.


It's really conservatives trying to portray liberals as Nazis, but failing to recognize that they're not really in a good position to be labelling anyone else as Nazis, while the liberal makes an accurate observation about the bigger picture while also failing to understand the specific criticism they were trying to rebut.

I agree that Johnson's framing is misleading, but so was Self's initial comment because he seems to be implying that Biden’s Disinformation Governance Board was comparable to anything done under the NSDAP.

No points to any of the involved parties and they should all be ashamed of how they look.


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05 Apr 2025, 4:12 am

Javeu Miley has made remarks that Hitler never died in Germany but many relocated to Argentina, so implying the very man who lead a race to demise, didn't even stand execution with his followers.
Now that is show of bad leadership.



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05 Apr 2025, 6:06 am

Those that live by “freedom for me, but not for thee”(which is practically everyone) subverts the constitution. Free speech near absolutism means defending the right of people to say opinions that you wished did not exist. The benefits I listed above is countered by the risk that it makes it easier for hateful ideas to spread faster. That said the rise of the far right is a world wide phenomenon happening in plenty of countries with hate speech laws.

It 2016 when Trump was rising comparing him to Hitler as so many did was hyperbole at a ridiculous level. With all the annexation threats less so now. That said most colonial empires were not the Third Reich and all of Trumps bigoted taunts do not equal calls for mass extermination of groups.

While the term Nazi is still a powerful pejorative the overuse of the term is having a very real world effect. In 2024 warnings that Trump’s second term would be worse fell on too many deaf ears in part because of the “here they go again” effect.


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05 Apr 2025, 4:53 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
It 2016 when Trump was rising comparing him to Hitler as so many did was hyperbole at a ridiculous level. With all the annexation threats less so now. That said most colonial empires were not the Third Reich and all of Trumps bigoted taunts do not equal calls for mass extermination of groups.


Many on the far right have openly welcomed the rise of MAGA. the rhetoric and language trump uses is familiar to them, his entertaining Nick Fuentes in the white house, his lauding Charlottesville brownshirts appears to give them a tacit approval for others to feel emboldened to say things. Elon Musk flirting with far right on X, in Germany and through his own stiff renditions of a Hitler salute further reinforces many people's attitudes.

the congressman might not be a card carrying Nazi, but he certainly feels trump's "MAGA culture" permits him to be himself, much like teenagers who went on a spree painting swastikas after trump's first inauguration. As I have said back in 2015-16. trump is a symptom of something deeper in American society that remains unaddressed in 2025.