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03 May 2025, 10:47 pm

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I think because subway struggles to maintain relevance. They do sandwiches, and it's very unlikely sandwiches will become trendy like the other fast food establishments.
That being said, in my suburb. A footlong sub without the cookie and drink cost around $13. Which I consider to be good value, it beats both mcdonalds and KFC for price. And the amount of fillings on the sandwhich are unlimited afaik.

I could do you a sandwich a lot cheaper than that. Not much choice of fillings, bread type or size, until I've made enough profit to expand. Exact price, and terms and conditions, available on application. Alternatively you could probably undercut me by making your own sandwich cheaper than what I'd charge you, depending on the prices of your local ingredients.


There are a number of reasons to not open your own Subway shop.

First of all, it is apparently one of the most expensive of franchises. The fees they charge their franchisees have been reported as being the most expensive in the fast food franchise industry. So you start out way behind.

Second, you are stuck buying your food from Subway. It doesn't matter if you can get much fresher produce locally, you must buy from Subway and pay a premium for it.

Third, you are limited to what Subway allows you to sell. If people in your region have something they especially like, you are out of luck if you have a Subway. For example, if people want a good bowl of chili and you make the best chili in the region, you still can't have it at your Subway shop because it isn't on their menu.

Fourth, they apparently really crowd Subways together in many cities. You might have a Subway shop and Subway allows someone else to open another a block or two away and reduce your customer base.

Fifth, Subway reportedly takes Subway franchises away from some franchisees and give them or sells them to other people or to other franchisees.

Sixth, you are stuck with Subway's sales which are most likely aimed at the use in big cities.

What I tell people in my very rural area is not to buy franchises. Learn the restaurant business and open your own place, source the supplies from where you can get a good price, decide your own menu based on what sells in our area, and keep your profits instead of paying them out to some corporate structure. Within two or three weeks after you open, people are generally going to know whether or not your food is good or bad. Few people are going to stop there because of the name. And if your food goes downhill, your customers are going to stop coming whether or not it is a franchise or privately owned.

There is nothing to gain from opening a franchise in my area. In my entire county, there is precisely one franchise restaurant and I have never been to it. My favorite restaurant in the county is the lunch counter at the drug store (yeah, we still have one and the food is really good).

By the way, the nearest restaurant to my office is right next door. They started out okay, but their food has gone downhill so much that of few times that I have been there in the last two years, my table was the only occupied table except for relatives of the owner eating for free. I found out a couple of weeks ago that prior to buying the restaurant (at vastly higher prices than it was worth), he had never even been in any restaurant in his entire life, much less ever eaten anything at a restaurant. No wonder he paid so much and cannot keep the quality up.

If you want to open a restaurant, you need to learn the business. Ideally, you should have a few years each as a waiter/waitress, a chef, and as a restaurant manager. If you don't do that, you are just another sheep lining up to be sheered.

Several people have told me that they want to buy the restaurant next door and not a one of them knows anything about the restaurant business. None of them know the first thing about running a restaurant. They stupidly think that if you like to eat at restaurants, you are capable of running a restaurant.

One of these idiots is a relative of mine who likes to travel all over the place. If you want to own a restaurant, you need to be there every day, pretty much from opening to closing. You don't have time to go flying all over the place. A friend of hers is getting married? Don't go, run your restaurant. Everyone else is going to a concert, run your restaurant instead. I flat told her that I would not lend her a dollar to buy or operate the restaurant - no matter what, she would be entirely on her own. I think she would be completely broke before long at all.

By the way, at one Mexican restaurant (most restaurants in my area are Mexican restaurants) in a nearby town that went bankrupt a few years ago, we often went in to eat lunch on Sundays. They had an enormous menu that shocked me by the idiocy of whoever made up that menu. One day, a sister-in-law of mine ordered an Italian food item from the menu. The waitress came back and said that they didn't have the ingredients and so my sister-in-law needed to order something else. I asked the waitress how many Italian food items they sold and she said that to the best of her knowledge, they had never sold any Italian food item.

My recommendation to idiots who stupidly want to buy or run a restaurant is to have maybe four items that sell well on the menu and a daily special or two. For each item on your menu, if you don't sell at least a few of that item every day you are open, that item should be removed from the menu.



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03 May 2025, 10:49 pm

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Or I could work for you making the sandwiches untill I learn exactly how to run a sandwich buisness, start my own sandwich buisness, wait to get popular enough that you end up buying me out and I retire in a remote village in Vietnam. Where sandwiches cost a dollar.

It'll probably be a one-man business for some time, so I'm very grateful for your interest in working for ToughDiamond's Celebrated Sarnies, but all posts are currently filled. However, watch this space for news of an exciting expansion which we hope will be happening in the not-too-distant future. Unless I snuff it first.



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03 May 2025, 11:00 pm

kokopelli wrote:
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jamie0.0 wrote:
I think because subway struggles to maintain relevance. They do sandwiches, and it's very unlikely sandwiches will become trendy like the other fast food establishments.
That being said, in my suburb. A footlong sub without the cookie and drink cost around $13. Which I consider to be good value, it beats both mcdonalds and KFC for price. And the amount of fillings on the sandwhich are unlimited afaik.

I could do you a sandwich a lot cheaper than that. Not much choice of fillings, bread type or size, until I've made enough profit to expand. Exact price, and terms and conditions, available on application. Alternatively you could probably undercut me by making your own sandwich cheaper than what I'd charge you, depending on the prices of your local ingredients.


There are a number of reasons to not open your own Subway shop.

First of all, it is apparently one of the most expensive of franchises. The fees they charge their franchisees have been reported as being the most expensive in the fast food franchise industry. So you start out way behind.

Second, you are stuck buying your food from Subway. It doesn't matter if you can get much fresher produce locally, you must buy from Subway and pay a premium for it.

Third, you are limited to what Subway allows you to sell. If people in your region have something they especially like, you are out of luck if you have a Subway. For example, if people want a good bowl of chili and you make the best chili in the region, you still can't have it at your Subway shop because it isn't on their menu.

Fourth, they apparently really crowd Subways together in many cities. You might have a Subway shop and Subway allows someone else to open another a block or two away and reduce your customer base.

Fifth, Subway reportedly takes Subway franchises away from some franchisees and give them or sells them to other people or to other franchisees.

Sixth, you are stuck with Subway's sales which are most likely aimed at the use in big cities.

What I tell people in my very rural area is not to buy franchises. Learn the restaurant business and open your own place, source the supplies from where you can get a good price, decide your own menu based on what sells in our area, and keep your profits instead of paying them out to some corporate structure. Within two or three weeks after you open, people are generally going to know whether or not your food is good or bad. Few people are going to stop there because of the name. And if your food goes downhill, your customers are going to stop coming whether or not it is a franchise or privately owned.

There is nothing to gain from opening a franchise in my area. In my entire county, there is precisely one franchise restaurant and I have never been to it. My favorite restaurant in the county is the lunch counter at the drug store (yeah, we still have one and the food is really good).

By the way, the nearest restaurant to my office is right next door. They started out okay, but their food has gone downhill so much that of few times that I have been there in the last two years, my table was the only occupied table except for relatives of the owner eating for free. I found out a couple of weeks ago that prior to buying the restaurant (at vastly higher prices than it was worth), he had never even been in any restaurant in his entire life, much less ever eaten anything at a restaurant. No wonder he paid so much and cannot keep the quality up.

If you want to open a restaurant, you need to learn the business. Ideally, you should have a few years each as a waiter/waitress, a chef, and as a restaurant manager. If you don't do that, you are just another sheep lining up to be sheered.

Several people have told me that they want to buy the restaurant next door and not a one of them knows anything about the restaurant business. None of them know the first thing about running a restaurant. They stupidly think that if you like to eat at restaurants, you are capable of running a restaurant.

One of these idiots is a relative of mine who likes to travel all over the place. If you want to own a restaurant, you need to be there every day, pretty much from opening to closing. You don't have time to go flying all over the place. A friend of hers is getting married? Don't go, run your restaurant. Everyone else is going to a concert, run your restaurant instead. I flat told her that I would not lend her a dollar to buy or operate the restaurant - no matter what, she would be entirely on her own. I think she would be completely broke before long at all.

By the way, at one Mexican restaurant (most restaurants in my area are Mexican restaurants) in a nearby town that went bankrupt a few years ago, we often went in to eat lunch on Sundays. They had an enormous menu that shocked me by the idiocy of whoever made up that menu. One day, a sister-in-law of mine ordered an Italian food item from the menu. The waitress came back and said that they didn't have the ingredients and so my sister-in-law needed to order something else. I asked the waitress how many Italian food items they sold and she said that to the best of her knowledge, they had never sold any Italian food item.

My recommendation to idiots who stupidly want to buy or run a restaurant is to have maybe four items that sell well on the menu and a daily special or two. For each item on your menu, if you don't sell at least a few of that item every day you are open, that item should be removed from the menu.

Oh, mine would be very unlike a Subway outlet. As soon as I get some interest from the lovers of home-made sandwiches I'll start filling out the details more thoroughly, but at the moment I'm thinking of it being very informal and probably members-only, perhaps with "consumers" becoming members of the "TD family." Possibly even without money changing hands, at least officially. It may be more like a hippie commune than a sandwich shop.

You do appreciate that this is all very much in the fantasy/dream stage of development, I presume, and thus not subject to real-world practicalities? As for people who want to run capitalist restaurants, some of them get away with it, so I don't know that they're all idiots. Some of those Chinese takeaways seem quite cleverly run, very efficient and polite. Still, that might be just a UK thing.



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04 May 2025, 12:41 pm

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I think there's four Gregg's in my town centre alone

And my town centre is so small you could throw a stone from one side to the other

In the USA there's a place called Dollar General that's unavoidable like that. You could go out into the desert and there'd be one. They don't sell food though.

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The lady who won the Lincolnshire Mayoralty election started her working life as a Greggs shop assistant.

That proves it must be a great place. Work for us and become a pillar of society in 5 easy steps.



Just seen this:



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04 May 2025, 7:28 pm

I hate having to tell the sandwich artists the ingredients that I want because I need to repeat myself.


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04 May 2025, 7:58 pm

I think it's at least partially a meme.


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04 May 2025, 10:07 pm

I doubt any of these trendy sandwich shops can do a sandwich that meets my standards. One important thing that often separates me from the rest of the world is that I feel strongly that the sandwich must be fully self-contained. No bits of filling dropping out even if I eat it with one hand. The Earl of Sandwich invented the sandwich so he had a handy way of eating that allowed him to get on with other things while he was eating it. I can relate to that.

I was once eating a shop-made sandwich and a messy chunk of filling fell out and landed in the secretary's lap. She took it very well but his other secretary was a right battle-axe and would have marbleised me if I'd done it to her. Shops shouldn't be allowed to make sandwiches liable to cause a breach of the peace.



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05 May 2025, 2:45 am

I eat subway all the time because there's one around the corner. I usually get a 6 inch meatball with provolone, tomatoes and olives.



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05 May 2025, 5:03 am

I love my custom meatball marinara melt. I just can't justify paying inflation era prices so it's pretty much a occasional treat. I remember when footlongs used to literally cost $5.



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05 May 2025, 5:05 am

I went to one Subway shop one weekend years ago and ordered a tuna sandwich. The employee couldn't find a scoop so he reached into the sink and grabbed a dirty scoop from among the items in the sink and used that.

I watched in completely disbelief that he could be so stupid.

After he put the tuna on the bread and asked me what toppings I wanted, I told him to throw it in the trash and ordered a turkey sandwich instead.

A friend of mine was there and saw what he did, too. He knew the manager and mentioned it to the manager that Monday. The manager told him that they had had a number of problems with that employee and that he would talk to him about that.



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05 May 2025, 6:16 am

DeepHour wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
babybird wrote:
I think there's four Gregg's in my town centre alone

And my town centre is so small you could throw a stone from one side to the other

In the USA there's a place called Dollar General that's unavoidable like that. You could go out into the desert and there'd be one. They don't sell food though.

DeepHour wrote:
The lady who won the Lincolnshire Mayoralty election started her working life as a Greggs shop assistant.

That proves it must be a great place. Work for us and become a pillar of society in 5 easy steps.



Just seen this:




I knew what I drayman was


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