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ToughDiamond
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04 May 2025, 4:11 pm

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Well let's just say I wish she'd put her points a bit more courteously. As it stands, I've looked at it 3 times already and it just makes me want to close the page every time. Maybe there are people out there who will take to it well, but I'm not one of them.



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05 May 2025, 12:23 pm

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Humans, eh? Victims of our own success. We used to have to exercise to get food. Now we don't have to, so we don't bother. Short-term result, comfort. Long-term result doesn't bear thinking about.

I had access to an exercise bike once, and I used to pedal very fast for about 5 minutes. Couldn't bear the thought of moderate pedalling for half an hour. The trouble with exercise is that it's boring. You can go to the gym and extend your life by a year, but when you do the sums you'll see that you spent that year in the gym. Actually I've no idea what the numbers are, so I could be using exaggeration to achieve emphasis there.

I think that's part of it ,but we also have sports, so it's pretty clearly not just that. I do wonder how much of it is due to people just not having time or living in environments that aren't pleasant to move in. Not to mention that increasingly the costs associated with using public spaces are increasing.And then there's stuff like the Presidents physical fitness test where prizes are done based on achieving a certain percentile, which means that half the people are always going to be in the bottom half, no matter how fit they are.



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05 May 2025, 2:22 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
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Humans, eh? Victims of our own success. We used to have to exercise to get food. Now we don't have to, so we don't bother. Short-term result, comfort. Long-term result doesn't bear thinking about.

I had access to an exercise bike once, and I used to pedal very fast for about 5 minutes. Couldn't bear the thought of moderate pedalling for half an hour. The trouble with exercise is that it's boring. You can go to the gym and extend your life by a year, but when you do the sums you'll see that you spent that year in the gym. Actually I've no idea what the numbers are, so I could be using exaggeration to achieve emphasis there.

I think that's part of it ,but we also have sports, so it's pretty clearly not just that. I do wonder how much of it is due to people just not having time or living in environments that aren't pleasant to move in. Not to mention that increasingly the costs associated with using public spaces are increasing.And then there's stuff like the Presidents physical fitness test where prizes are done based on achieving a certain percentile, which means that half the people are always going to be in the bottom half, no matter how fit they are.

Yes I'm sure there's more to it. Still, the problem with sport is that we don't have to do it, so a lot of us don't unless we happen to get into it when we're kids and we're lucky enough to become good at it. Dad wasn't into sport at all, so he didn't give me that early-learning advantage, and they were very elitist about it at school so if you weren't already au fait with football they weren't going to bring you up to speed. And you're right, they're monetising the public spaces more than they used to.

In the UK I'm surrounded by a traffic-infested dystopian ring which makes it a bad experience getting out into the open spaces where the clean air is, and I don't drive. The buses are mostly crap. It's not too polluted where my house is, but there's nowhere inside the ring that could be called suitable for exercise. As a compromise I just do a brisk walk to the park and back, which means crossing the ring, and if I wasn't scared of an early death from lack of exercise, I wouldn't bother.

In the US where I live it's also impossible to even go for a walk without having to dodge cars. Even walking round the car park I have to keep my eyes peeled for them driving in and out. At least the motorists generally have more courtesy than they do in my UK city. But crossing the main road is almost impossible till late at night, and walking along the back roads is rather spoiled because there are no sidewalks. And it's asking for health problems to go out in the daytime in summer. It's just too bloody hot. Can't even safely walk in the grass because of the risk of snakes and infected ticks, so you have to stick to the baking hot concrete and tarmac.

I never heard of the presidents fitness test, but I agree the percentile thing kind of spoils the idea, and while Trump's in power the very name fills me with bitter thoughts.

Actually I was reading some scholarly stuff about exercise and orthostatic hypertension, because I've been experiencing that, and it seems that running makes it worse. Just as well, I've never liked running.



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06 May 2025, 2:57 pm

I am physically stronger but I am mentally weaker. I always keep getting suicidal thoughts every time I get stressed, anxious and irritated.



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14 May 2025, 7:52 am

It might be worth checking in with a doctor to figure out what's going on. If you suspect something like osteoporosis or arthritis, they can run some tests to confirm and offer some treatment options. In the meantime, maybe some gentle stretching or strengthening exercises could help with mobility, but definitely get medical advice first.


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19 May 2025, 7:39 pm

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I am physically stronger but I am mentally weaker. I always keep getting suicidal thoughts every time I get stressed, anxious and irritated.




my worthless corpse physically, mentally, and emotionally weak.



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29 May 2025, 9:13 pm

yesterday i tried to load a window.

thank buddha i didn't drop it. otherwise i would've had to sweep it, and then do an exchange, and get written up, and do buddha knows what else.



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03 Jun 2025, 12:31 pm

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Rapidly getting much physically weaker and weaker and only 42

Yesterday saw an old man and old woman lift a litterbox. They were about my height and weight

Today, lumber associate Lili lifted a pallet, while I was looking for the pallet jack. She's only about 4'9 and I tried and failed to lift the pallet but it was too heavy

Suspect osteoporosis or arthritis or something like that

Entire worthless corpse going limp


Arthritis and osteoporosis will weaken joints and bons, and make breaks more likely, but they don't in and of themselves make you weaker. Taking the right nutrition and exercise WILL make you stronger and reduce the other two though!



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03 Jun 2025, 6:48 pm

2uken

my diet, while not perfect or great, is a lot better than the vast majority of my coworkers.

they eat: burger king, popeyes, mcdonalds, food cart, guadalajara, safeway sushi, panda express, california pizza kitchen. things like that.

42 years old been rapidly getting much weaker physically, for a while now.

on the other hand, tattletale tom said he's 180# and adam said he's 217# so it is not reasonable to be as physically strong as cisgender males that weight. so whatever.



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04 Jun 2025, 7:31 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Humans, eh? Victims of our own success. We used to have to exercise to get food. Now we don't have to, so we don't bother. Short-term result, comfort. Long-term result doesn't bear thinking about.

I had access to an exercise bike once, and I used to pedal very fast for about 5 minutes. Couldn't bear the thought of moderate pedalling for half an hour. The trouble with exercise is that it's boring. You can go to the gym and extend your life by a year, but when you do the sums you'll see that you spent that year in the gym. Actually I've no idea what the numbers are, so I could be using exaggeration to achieve emphasis there.


Good observations, but exercise needn’t be boring; cycling/walking in the countryside is a lot better than any stationary bike, such as I had to use during a hospital stay. To make it worse, I was restricted to an effort level which posed no challenge whatsoever! Whilst making an effort to be active throughout the day, I shy away from any formal aerobics. Weight training is an altogether different matter, and it’s good to observe that more young people, particularly women, are getting that.

Take a look at the advantages: one doesn’t need to spend a year in the gym; a decent work out need take no more than ten minutes or so, once a week!

As for how to measure progress; if you did more reps today than the last time you did that exercise, then it’s progress. Certain preconceptions are involved; that you keep a detailed log of your results (most gym rats don’t bother, so how can they know that their system works or not?). Another is that you take each set to failure, and I find it puzzling that anyone would train any other way, but a large proportion of regular weight trainers seem to find the though abhorrent, and make all sorts of illogical excuses for not doing so!

Then there’s the need to keep changing one’s routine, by cycling through different exercises, for instance, which is simple with the minimalist approach of systems like HIT [but not for those people who believe one has to”attack” (?) each muscle from different angles (?; muscles just contract, they don’t care about angles] wherein one can alternate, for instance, between different types of squat or dead lift (only one is needed per session). An easier way is to acquire a lot of small weights (washers will do nicely) which can be added each session, until one can no longer achieve the desired target (usually 8 to 12 reps) at which point one strips off about half the weights or so, and start the cycle again. That way it can be weeks before one does the exact same exercise again, increasing the likelihood that one will be able to do more reps.

As for medical advice, seeking alternatives would be desirable here, but the problem is that a doctor’s job is to treat illnesses, and not to keep one healthy (there’s a difference). The notion I read often that one can go to one's doctor for advice on things like supplements or dieting, is just not practical: even if they had the knowledge (and most don’t) they don’t have the time.


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06 Jun 2025, 10:06 pm

Today I could barely lift three doors

Pretty soon I won't be able to lift anything at all

42 been rapidly getting much weaker physically and mentally

Some articles claim that the aging process accelerates at 44 and 60. Even if I don't get hit by a car, there is no way I will be able to lift fifty pounds when I turn 44.



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07 Jun 2025, 10:48 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
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what "physical exercises"? i didn't mention anything about "physical exercises".

Other people here seem to have been advising you to do weight training and such, and some of their descriptions made me wonder how they measure the improvements. .


One needs to go to failure on each set, to know how well they've performed (or else it's guesswork) and keep a log of all their lifts (a good reason to try my minimalist approach). It beats me how most iron pumpers don't bother, yet are absolutely sure that their system works!


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07 Jun 2025, 10:00 pm

Today I had a hard time loading five fence posts. They were way under fifty pounds but large and I had to lift them over my head

Home depot really should have a "strength test" preemployment. Otherwise it is just a disaster waiting to keep happening



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08 Jun 2025, 11:31 pm

Today I had a hard time getting the bucket of paint into the truck. Also hard, putting the lumber on top of the van. Been rapidly getting much weaker and pretty soon won't be able to do it anymore. Then no source of income



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10 Jun 2025, 9:55 pm

my job description says "lift fifty pounds", but "lift" to me, sounds like "deadlift". but on sunday, i had to "overhead press" two pieces of lumber. when i get older, if the van were taller, or if the lumber were heavier, or if i were any shorter, i would not have been able to do it. i could just barely do it. yes, tattletale tom has been much nicer to me lately, but if i were to have dropped the lumber, then i could not imagine his reaction (and revenge). (rolls eyes)

besides, some merchandise is heavy, fragile, expensive. and when i drop the merchandise, it might damage the merchandise, the car, the customer, or any innocent bystander. (the merchandise might fall on someone's foot).



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11 Jun 2025, 7:14 pm

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
Rapidly getting much physically weaker and weaker and only 42

Yesterday saw an old man and old woman lift a litterbox. They were about my height and weight

Today, lumber associate Lili lifted a pallet, while I was looking for the pallet jack. She's only about 4'9 and I tried and failed to lift the pallet but it was too heavy

Suspect osteoporosis or arthritis or something like that

Entire worthless corpse going limp
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