The Israel genocide debate thread
ASPartOfMe wrote:
CherokeeDeathRose13 wrote:
I guess I can't contribute anything to this debate since I'm neither Jewish nor Muslim then. I'm not in the Middle East to see what is actually going on over there and all I have to go by is propaganda news articles online telling me about what's happening over there.
It's not that I don't care about the suffering going on, but I'm powerless to do anything about it and so is everybody else who gets worked up over this mess in the middle east.
It's not that I don't care about the suffering going on, but I'm powerless to do anything about it and so is everybody else who gets worked up over this mess in the middle east.
The vast majority of WP members contributing to this topic are neither Jewish, Muslim, live in the region or know people who live in the region. Same is probably true for those defining the term or saying Israel is or is not committing genocide. I don’t see why you should be an exception.
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In the last decade this “woke” idea that only people who have lived experience have a right to comment about that experience. There is merit the idea that those who are a member of a group understand the experiences in ways outsiders can’t. This is not always true. Sometimes people are too close to situations, an outsider without emotional baggage to can see situations more clearly than stakeholder's
I'm against all the woke junk as much as anybody who is sane enough to see how problematic it has become. But my point was that we the outsiders are becoming just as quick to pass judgement over this mess in the middle east due to our own feelings of outrage, which like I've also pointed out is being exploided by the media.
Why should the people who have no control over what goes on over in these war zones keep getting outraged? If the US is indeed an oligarchy like everyone says that means that regardless of which side Americans pick in this stupid war, our opinions, protests, or votes wont matter because in the end the government does exactly whatever they want to do.
And I've come to realize that Americans are incapable of doing the right thing in wars like this onw no matter what they choose to do. The world treats us like we're an evil empire no matter what. Hell if we stayed out of this war between Israel and Gaza I bet we would somehow get blamed for that too.
"Damned when you do and damned when you don't" is pretty much the code we live by.
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CherokeeDeathRose13 wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
CherokeeDeathRose13 wrote:
I guess I can't contribute anything to this debate since I'm neither Jewish nor Muslim then. I'm not in the Middle East to see what is actually going on over there and all I have to go by is propaganda news articles online telling me about what's happening over there.
It's not that I don't care about the suffering going on, but I'm powerless to do anything about it and so is everybody else who gets worked up over this mess in the middle east.
It's not that I don't care about the suffering going on, but I'm powerless to do anything about it and so is everybody else who gets worked up over this mess in the middle east.
The vast majority of WP members contributing to this topic are neither Jewish, Muslim, live in the region or know people who live in the region. Same is probably true for those defining the term or saying Israel is or is not committing genocide. I don’t see why you should be an exception.
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In the last decade this “woke” idea that only people who have lived experience have a right to comment about that experience. There is merit the idea that those who are a member of a group understand the experiences in ways outsiders can’t. This is not always true. Sometimes people are too close to situations, an outsider without emotional baggage to can see situations more clearly than stakeholder's
I'm against all the woke junk as much as anybody who is sane enough to see how problematic it has become. But my point was that we the outsiders are becoming just as quick to pass judgement over this mess in the middle east due to our own feelings of outrage, which like I've also pointed out is being exploided by the media.
Why should the people who have no control over what goes on over in these war zones keep getting outraged? If the US is indeed an oligarchy like everyone says that means that regardless of which side Americans pick in this stupid war, our opinions, protests, or votes wont matter because in the end the government does exactly whatever they want to do.
And I've come to realize that Americans are incapable of doing the right thing in wars like this onw no matter what they choose to do. The world treats us like we're an evil empire no matter what. Hell if we stayed out of this war between Israel and Gaza I bet we would somehow get blamed for that too.
"Damned when you do and damned when you don't" is pretty much the code we live by.
With Israel, not only Jews, but also Christians and Muslims are stakeholders also as all three religions have ties to modern-day Israel.
Of course, outsiders should be cognizant of that fact when posting .
What we post here 99.999999 percent of the time will not have any effect. But if you are interested in a particular political subject no reason not to converse with others just for the enjoyment and brain stimulation you get from it. If you do decide to become an activist, what you learn here will help.
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ASPartOfMe wrote:
While there is no accurate enough polling on this question I am pretty confident in claiming there is a worldwide consensus that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians.
I disagree with the consensus. In short Israel’s main goal is to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians not to exterminate all of them. Killing so many, flattening their homes is a means to an end not the end.
The term genocide of course was coined to describe what the Nazis did to the Jews. The Nazis diverted men and resources from the war effort for this cause. Despite the German war situation becoming dire and thus more resources needed for the war effort the extermination campaign intensified. That shows an intent to exterminate as primary goal that there is little evidence Israel has.
I disagree with the consensus. In short Israel’s main goal is to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians not to exterminate all of them. Killing so many, flattening their homes is a means to an end not the end.
The term genocide of course was coined to describe what the Nazis did to the Jews. The Nazis diverted men and resources from the war effort for this cause. Despite the German war situation becoming dire and thus more resources needed for the war effort the extermination campaign intensified. That shows an intent to exterminate as primary goal that there is little evidence Israel has.
But the Nazi "Final Solution" didn't start until 1941 or so. Before that, the Nazis were satisfied with ethnic cleansing and were even, for a while at least, willing to send Jews to Palestine.
Meanwhile, Netanyahu has already voiced genocidal "Amalek" rhetoric. (See news story here and commentary here.)
See also the thread Evidence of Israel's genocidal intentions toward Gaza?
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It appears , that inspite of the non combatants on this site ...The News does seem to carry many implications of such a Genocide taking place .. And Possibly as long as Palestine exists in the minds of 21 st century men . There will be some debate it appears . Until Palestine ( country of supposedly Jesus birth) is No More . And the winners will rewrite the history books..henceforth from such times..
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