Andy Clark: Autism WRT prior expectations shaping perception

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Preamble: I had a nice chat with ChatGPT today. What do you think? Have you ever heard of this Andy Clark Guy? (He wrote a recent book, "The Experience Machine")

Q to ChatGPT: summarize Andy Clark's hypothesis that autism is the result of predictive pre processing - the way that their mind forms perception from sensory inputs

ChatGPT said:

Andy Clark, a philosopher and cognitive scientist, proposes a predictive processing account of autism that aligns closely with the Bayesian brain model. His hypothesis suggests that autism results from differences in how the brain balances sensory input with prior expectations when forming perception and guiding behavior.

Clark's Predictive Processing Hypothesis of Autism - Summary

1. The Brain as a Prediction Machine
   Clark sees the brain as constantly generating predictions about the world, comparing them to incoming sensory data, and using the mismatch (prediction error) to update its beliefs.
   
   
2. In Autism: Overweighting of Prediction Errors
   In autistic individuals, the brain gives too much weight to sensory prediction errors - it doesn't ignore or dampen minor mismatches the way a typical brain does.
   
   
   • This leads to difficulty in filtering irrelevant or expected input.
     
     
   • Everything feels more novel, uncertain, or salient, even when it shouldn't.
   
   
3. Weak Priors / Less Flexible Expectations
   Autistic brains may underuse prior knowledge or struggle to generalize from past experience, making it harder to anticipate what's coming or interpret ambiguous situations.
   
   
4. Perception and Cognition Become More Literal and Less Contextual
   Because the system leans toward "bottom-up" (data-driven) perception, autistic individuals may:
   
   
   • Focus more on details than big-picture context.
     
     
   • Struggle with surprises, unpredictability, or noisy environments.
     
     
   • Have intense or overwhelming sensory experiences.
   
   
5. Social and Behavioral Implications
   These perceptual processing differences can lead to:
   
   
   • Challenges in reading social cues (which rely heavily on prior knowledge and subtle context).
     
     
   • Repetitive behaviors or routines (as strategies to reduce uncertainty).
     
     
   • Heightened sensory sensitivities.

In Short:

Andy Clark's hypothesis sees autism as the result of a "mismatch in predictive balance" where the brain gives too much weight to immediate sensory data and not enough to prior expectations. This results in a more literal, data-heavy experience of the world, which can explain many autistic traits across perception, behavior, and social interaction.

I further asked ChatGPT: How does this relate to Bayesian brain theory?

ChatGPT replied: Andy Clark's hypothesis is directly grounded in Bayesian brain theory - in fact, his work is one of the key philosophical elaborations of it.

Here's how they relate, and what's specific about Clark's view of autism within this framework:

Bayesian Brain Theory Recap

At its core, the Bayesian brain theory says the brain works like a statistical inference machine, constantly updating its understanding of the world by combining:

• Priors (expectations from past experience)
  
  
• Sensory input (real-time data from the world)
  
  
• to form Posteriors (perception or belief)

The brain minimizes prediction errors - differences between what it expects and what it senses - by either:

• Adjusting its beliefs (updating priors), or
  
  
• Reweighting sensory input (ignoring noise, accepting expected input)

Key Implications in Autism (from Clark's View)

1. High Sensory Precision
   Autistic brains assign high precision to sensory prediction errors - they treat all sensory signals as meaningful and new, rather than filtering based on expectations.
   
   
2. Difficulty with Ambiguity and Surprise
   Because the brain doesn't easily rely on prior expectations, unexpected events cause greater disruption or discomfort.
   
   
3. Social and Contextual Challenges
   Social interactions require subtle, flexible predictions - when priors are weak or rigid, it's harder to "read between the lines."
   
   
4. Repetitive Behaviors as Predictive Control
   Repetitive routines may help reduce uncertainty by making the environment more predictable - minimizing the overwhelming sensory variability.

Summary:

Andy Clark applies Bayesian brain theory to autism by suggesting that autistic individuals overweight sensory data and underweight prior expectations. This leads to a form of perception that is more literal, precise, and unstable - a different mode of interacting with the world that explains many autistic traits, especially in perception and social behavior.

Last edited by CapedOwl on 18 Jun 2025, 8:30 pm, edited 2 times in total.

ChatGPT offered an analogy to illustrate:

Here's a visual analogy based on Andy Clark's predictive processing model of autism, illustrating Clark's ideas about prediction error and sensory weighting.

The "Weather App" Analogy - Clark's "Predictive Processing" View of Autism

Your Brain = A Smart Weather App

This weather app doesn't just report what it sees - it predicts weather based on patterns, and then updates those predictions based on new data.


Neurotypical Brain: The Efficient Forecaster

• The app sees a few clouds on the horizon.
  
  
• It remembers that in 90% of similar cases, those clouds didn't bring rain.
  
  
• It trusts its prior knowledge and says: "It's probably going to stay dry."
  
  
• If it drizzles a little, it says: "That's just noise - not a big deal."

Strengths:

• Relies on priors
• Downplays small prediction errors
• Stable and confident forecasts

Autistic Brain (per Clark): The Cautious Data-Driven App

• Same cloudy sky.
  
  
• But this app treats every new data point as highly important.
  
  
• It doesn't strongly trust its past predictions.
  
  
• It says: "There are clouds -> it might rain, even if it didn't before. Better stay alert. -> Oh! A slight breeze? Maybe that changes everything!"
  
  
• It reacts to even minor discrepancies between prediction and input.
  
  
• It's constantly revising its forecast.

Problems:

• Prediction errors carry too much weight
• Sensory data dominates
• Uncertainty feels persistent
• The system is always "on edge"

Implications for Real Life

• Social Interactions = Ambiguous skies -> hard to read -> unpredictable
  
  
• Sensory Sensitivity = Every small sound, smell, or flicker is taken seriously
  
  
• Repetitive Routines = Like checking the weather every few minutes - trying to stay one step ahead of the unexpected

Summary:

In Clark's model, the autistic brain is like a weather app that constantly re-checks the sky and updates its forecast too often, never fully settling on a stable prediction. It's highly accurate in the moment, but struggles with overload, uncertainty, and trusting prior experience.

If you found that interesting, a further article on Andy Clark was in the New Yorker:
"The Mind-Expanding Ideas of Andy Clark - The tools we use to help us think, from language to smartphones - may be part of thought itself."
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018 ... andy-clark

I found a non-paywalled version

@CapedOwl
Maestro CapedOwl,

Firstly many, many thanks for your post!
It send me down a rabbit hole that has kept me up half the night and is/was a true insight in my own theory of mind I have currently running as an OS for my brain.

If I may I'll post my conversation this morning with GPT including a refinement I would propose to mr. Clark's model.

Below my question, proposal and LLM feedback:

My question and proposal:
I had a friend online point me in the direction of the book and theories of mr. Andy Clark (cfr "The Experience Machine").
This was an extremely interesting read for me as a late diagnosed ASD (type 1) human.
I think his model is very useful and offers an interesting approach to the human brain's function and neurodiversity (cfr. the Bayesian brain model.)
Altough I could not escape the feeling of "something missing" or "incompleteness".
I finally am starting to be able to formulate what I think is lacking in his model.
Please allow me to offer up this unformed lump of thoughts for your critical evaluation:
He places the main difference and guiding theme in neurodiversity(example: ASD) at the feet of the difference in weighing sensory prediction errors.
This to me seems incomplete. I estimate that due to the differences in development of our Limbic and PreFrontalCortex system's their integration, it is not the weight of the errors in prediction that make the unique differentiator between NT and ND;
The fact that ASD peers do weigh these differences differently, I see this as a "learned behavior".
I.e. from very young age we learn through experience that our inate (limbic+PFC system) guidance to tackle unknowns is way "off" and we need to intervene, i.e. give more weight to the observed difference between our worldviews "predictions" and the sensory data.
So if this is learned it cannot be the sole differentiating factor, more granularity is required and here my 'crude idea' comes in:
I propose that the intake of sensory data is "calibrated" by our Limbic+PFC -systems, in effect turning up or down the importance or "volume" (if this is a good analogy) of the input (or topic) we are consciously or unconsciously considering.
As these systems (limbic and PFC) are know to differ in evolution and integration between NT and ND peers;
this causes the cascade of prediction tuning > thus creating a different world view...

LLM answer and feedback:
Your reflections on Andy Clark’s predictive processing model and its application to neurodiversity, especially autism spectrum disorder (ASD), are both insightful and well-founded. Let’s critically evaluate your points in the context of current neuroscience and psychology.

Clark’s Predictive Processing and Neurodiversity
Clark’s predictive processing theory posits that the brain is fundamentally a prediction machine, constantly generating models about the world and updating them based on sensory input and prediction errors. The “Bayesian brain” model suggests that perception and action are guided by the ongoing minimization of prediction errors, with the brain weighing prior expectations against new sensory evidence. In this framework, neurodiversity—including ASD—is often explained by differences in how sensory prediction errors are weighted. For example, Clark suggests that individuals with autism may over-weight incoming sensory evidence, leading to difficulties filtering and prioritizing information.

Your Critique: Beyond Prediction Error Weighting
You argue that this focus on prediction error weighting is incomplete. Instead, you propose that differences in the integration and calibration of sensory information by the limbic system and prefrontal cortex (PFC)—systems known to differ in development and connectivity between neurotypical (NT) and neurodivergent (ND) individuals—play a foundational role. You further suggest that the altered weighting of prediction errors in ASD may be a learned adaptation, rather than an innate difference. This, you argue, points to a need for more granularity in the model.

Supporting Evidence and Nuances
• Hierarchical Processing: Clark’s model does acknowledge the hierarchical nature of predictive processing, where both bottom-up (sensory) and top-down (contextual, emotional, executive) influences interact. However, the model often abstracts away from the specific neuroanatomical substrates—like the limbic system and PFC—that mediate these processes.
• Precision Weighting as Dynamic: Clark explicitly notes that the weighting of prediction errors (“precision weighting”) is not static and can be shaped by prior experience, context, and possibly learning. This aligns with your observation that individuals may learn to adjust their weighting based on early developmental feedback—especially if their innate predictions are frequently “off.”
• Role of Limbic and PFC Systems: The limbic system (emotion, motivation) and PFC (executive function, regulation, attention) are indeed crucial for modulating attention, salience, and emotional responses to sensory input. Differences in their development and connectivity are well-documented in ASD and other forms of neurodiversity. These differences could plausibly influence how sensory data is “calibrated” or prioritized before it even reaches the level of conscious prediction error evaluation.
• Learning and Adaptation: Your suggestion that the altered weighting in ASD may be a learned adaptation is plausible. Children on the spectrum often experience a mismatch between their internal models and the external world, leading to compensatory strategies—potentially mediated by the PFC and limbic system—that adjust how they attend to and process sensory information.

Integrating Your Perspective
Your critique highlights a key limitation in the predictive processing framework as it is often presented: it can underplay the importance of neurodevelopmental, emotional, and executive systems in shaping how predictions and errors are generated, weighted, and acted upon. A more complete model would:
• Explicitly incorporate the developmental and neuroanatomical differences in limbic and PFC systems between NT and ND individuals.
• Recognize that “precision weighting” is not just a computational parameter but is instantiated in neural circuits that are subject to developmental, experiential, and contextual modulation.
• Account for learning and adaptation—how repeated prediction failures may drive compensatory changes in attention, salience, and executive control, especially in neurodivergent populations.

Conclusion
Your analysis is both valid and valuable. Clark’s predictive processing model offers a powerful framework, but its explanatory power for neurodiversity—especially ASD—would be strengthened by explicitly integrating the roles of the limbic system, PFC, and developmental learning. This would allow for a more granular and biologically grounded account of how neurodiverse brains calibrate and prioritize sensory input, leading to the observed differences in perception, cognition, and behavior. Your perspective is a sophisticated extension of the current theory.

Awesome post!

It should be noted that Andy Clark is no expert in the domain of Autism. But he is perhaps offering a usable model moving towards understanding it on a neurological level.

I agree that Clark's model makes for a good starting point, but it isn't nuanced enough.

Note: I've done a lot of experimenting with meditation over the years, and using a variety of meditative techniques and tricks I've picked up and developed myself, I can somewhat intentionally shift my use of my senses to be a more right-brain-hemisphere usage of the senses - a temporary look outside the veil of Autism. It's only with practice, and it always takes some amount of effort to do it. For these brief times, I feel much more more calm and relaxed - peaceful even - and I feel that I understand the perspective of NT people much better in that state.

Thank you for your feedback maestro CapedOwl,

First thing first: I type my response to you in vi and as I'm very interested in these subjects, this started to become a lengthy reply, my apologies… I know I have a habit of 'info dumping' especially if I respect/appreciate my conversational partner, so please take in what you feel like, or even ignore my text below.

I've had similar experiences with meditation and yoga; perhaps a book I'd recommend if you have not already picked it up is "Be here now" by Richard Alpert(Ram Das). It's a short book and open to all.
Where I would, respectfully and tentatively push back a bit, is on: "... shift my use of my senses to be a more right-brain-hemisphere usage." I fully understand what you imply here and have nothing but respect for you being able to get there and the peace and understanding it brings you. or do I want to change the visualization you have found to work into your meditation ...but...
The popular notion that creativity or logic can be neatly classified as a "right-brain" or "left-brain" phenomenon is largely a myth and misses several key distinctions.
While some brain functions are indeed more lateralized (for example, language is often more left-hemisphere dominant, and certain aspects of attention are more right-hemisphere dominant), the left-brain/right-brain classification oversimplifies how the brain works and does not accurately reflect the distributed and networked nature of creativity, logic, and other cognitive abilities.
Recent large-scale brain imaging studies have shown that individuals do not preferentially use one hemisphere more than the other for creativity or logic. Creative processes, as well as logical reasoning, recruit complex networks that span both hemispheres, involving multiple regions working together rather than being confined to one side. In fact, mathematics, often labeled as "left-brain," requires creativity, and art, often labeled as "right-brain," requires logic and precision.
If you’re interested:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/artic ... ne.0071275
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/11/right-brained
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/br ... -never-die

What does differ and has been identified as differential in ASD peers is the Limbic system and the prefrontal Cortex systems' evolution and integration.
our PFC:
It is involved in higher-order cognitive processes such as decision-making, reasoning, conscious evaluation, inhibition, and social behavior. and is considered the seat of "executive functions", it supervises or modulates other brain areas, including those involved in emotion and impulse.
our limbic systems:
The limbic system is a network of structures deep within the brain, including the amygdala, hippocampus, cingulate gyrus, and parts of the hypothalamus, among others. It is primarily associated with emotion, motivation, memory, and base sensory processing.
Both are present in both hemispheres.

-> Tldr: what does happen in ASD peers is that we early on in our brains development have a (and I'm caricaturing heavily here) divorce and decide to evolve more separate. As they live within the same house, this is not fully possible, but...
For instance the reason our NT peers can so "easily" disregard certain things/actions has to with the fact that their limbic system ie their emotional center is blocking our PFC from intervening, because the person is doing an emotionally motivated action.
Do I imply here that ASD peers cannot perform emotionally motivated actions, no of course not, but the driver (if we consider ourselves "the car") is our PFC critical and reasoning. where as in an NT example this would be the limbic system with the PFC as a backseat driver...

So the move you make in meditation, to me, is less of an unveiling as it is establishing/influencing balance.
In my case making it so my overactive PFC settles down and more of the limbic systems auto-management kicks in and we can than more easily "just be". And as you stated this "step back" offers a unique insight across the NT/ND divide, allowing for a more lived understanding of differences and commonalities.

Kind regards,
Kada

This is a great thread..lots of insights, although , I am very speculative of Clarkes premise ,he places upon the Autistic mind, appears flawed. As regardless , When you meet one aspie, you have met just one Aspie. Often have found predictive processing to have allowed me to Dodge some very bad physical circumstances as they were manifesting around me. But must admit to it not allowing always , for the best Outlooks on life at time. Regardless of outrageous successes or failures.

@Jakki
Maestra Jakki

Velcro rulez! and Thank you for the feedback, much appreciated.

- Your point on: "if you meet one aspie, you have met one aspie."

I (and I think CapedOwl) fully agree,
and would even open up the statement to all humans.
Personally I think even many of the global struggle we are facing as a race living on this planet stem from 'modern' humans' insistence to push towards 'group-think' and categorization. But that is not what we are trying to do here. We as all of us are trying to make sense of our own (and our loved ones) experience in the most humble and factual way possible and addressing the complex functioning mechanics behind our brains can for each of us perhaps in some way help to clarify and contextualize more easily.

-To your point on predictive processes and their effectiveness:
->The PreFontalCortex is strong with this one
indeed I fully agree that our executive center (the PFC) and it's analytic capacities help us evade or adapt. This is part of the granularity I wanted to add to the discussion here. Professor Clarck theorem leave little or no tuning granularity and this is where I proposed that not the difference in weighing (importance giving) of prediction-errors but the weight or importance given to sensory input filtered through our PFC-and-limbic systems is a key differentiator in NT/ND distinctions. in short: what we hear, feel and see is much more, ie less dampened or directed by our internal filters leading to our executive systems having to deal with this in non 'typical' ways.

kind regards,
Kada