Microplastics & Melting Ice Reveal Deepening Crisis

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20 Jun 2025, 9:56 pm

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(a) Global warming is not necessarily what caused previous extinction events. It is the change they see coming now.

I have never heard anyone claim that previous extinction events were caused by global warming. The very idea is ludicrous.[/quote]
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Can you imagine what happens when the temperature changes by 10 F in a decade or so? Or when a massive asteroid or climate hits the Earth? Or when a large supervolcano erupts?
Um...climate change?![/quote]Are you saying that everything is climate change?



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21 Jun 2025, 2:01 pm

I do not understand you.

In simple, clear terms can you state
- your beliefs regarding past mass extinction events and their causes
- your beliefs regarding significant climate change being in progress


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21 Jun 2025, 4:12 pm

Do you know anything about agriculture?

Anything at all?

If you do, then you know that plants grow much better in a warm climate than in a cold climate. Warmer air carries water vapor. And plants grow better with CO2. Did you know that farmers with greenhouses will often pump CO2 into the greenhouse to enhance productivity?

Do you understand that it was warmer during the Holocene Climatic Optimum? That warmer period enabled mankind to settle down and start farming -- the first baby steps toward civilization.

Multiple research studies seem to show that CO2 lags temperature, not the other way. And that makes sense. As temperature rises and plant life becomes more importance, those plants release more CO2. Co2 is the result of warming, not the cause of it. You worries about CO2 causing temperatures to rise are ridiculously wrong-headed.

Years ago when all this Global Warming hysteria began, I was worried, too. At some point I started to wonder how much warmer today it is than it was in the past. Imagine my surprise to learn that it is actually cooler than in the not too distant path.

Not only that, we had been in a cooler period known as the Little Ice Age for a few hundred years. Naturally, when we came out of that period, then temperatures rose. If they didn't rise then we would not have come out of that period. Thank goodness that the temperatures rose because if they had not, the suffering would be much worse than today.

For example, prior to the Little Ice Age, life in England was considered to be considerably easier than once it began. There were vineyards and the people were not starving. The Little Ice Age eliminated those vineyards but with the warming now that it is over, vineyards have returned to the English countryside.

Look at the Anasazi people in the desert southwest. They flourished until the Little Ice Age led to severe droughts and forced them out.

Cold air cannot carry much moisture. Did you know that some of the driest places on Earth are very cold? People think of deserts as being very hot. There are parts of Antarctica that get so little moisture that what every little they get sublimates and doesn't accumulate. It seems weird to think of Antarctica as being a desert, but they hardly get any precipitation at all.

And there is the Atacama in Chile. They have very old mud buildings that were not rained on until about a hundred years ago. I think that they have had three rains in the last hundred years.

By the way, during the Holocene Climatic Optimum, the Sahara Desert was green. The Gobi desert was forested. Northern Mexico was green.

The danger is cooling, not warming.



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21 Jun 2025, 8:37 pm

I think it is likely to be complicated..

That mankind can survive something doesn't make that something good.

And the huge impacts on the wild will be..."huge". It will take a long time for the natural world to stabilize. Though mankind should survive, it is likely mankind will be unhappy.

But, we are off topic


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21 Jun 2025, 9:28 pm

Double Retired wrote:
I think it is likely to be complicated..

That mankind can survive something doesn't make that something good.

And the huge impacts on the wild will be..."huge". It will take a long time for the natural world to stabilize. Though mankind should survive, it is likely mankind will be unhappy.

But, we are off topic


For what it's worth the only actual climate scientist I have discussed this with has always been very much opposed the entire thing. He thinks that it's all nonsense -- that the people crying about Global Warming don't have the foggiest idea what they are talking about.

Don't forget, we are in an ice age right now. That's the real threat.



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Yesterday, 4:19 pm

Don't worry people we'll all probably die a much worse death because Tangerine Man decided it was a good idea to do the inevitable and unofficially (for the time being) start WWIII. Thanks USA I hate you.



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There are many ways many of us could die.


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