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20 Jul 2025, 5:54 am

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One of the family members, Angel Kenmore seems to be attributing it more to supernatural demonic apparitions, than it being extraterrestrial activity.


9-10 foot aliens capable of cloaking have been captured on film


How can anyone tell how tall a cloaked (invisible) being is?



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20 Jul 2025, 6:09 am

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Families with seven kids and home/landowners in 1955 rural Kentucky would have been highly unlikely to make up such a major hoax involving police and military knowing full well they and their kids would be branded as liars and driven out of the area (which is actually what happened).
Highly unlikely or not, it’s still way more likely than aliens. People have done stuff like this and MUCH stranger things. It’s not even hard for me to believe.
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Some of the explanations may not be that likely, but weird situations, like folie à famille or ingesting hallucinogenic substances, happen sometimes.
this would be an interesting hypothesis. No report from the police the family were in any way under the influence of drugs police (even back in 1955) would check the level of sobriety of individuals making wild claims. Again no evidence the family (certainly not the 7 kids) were intoxicated in any way.
It doesn’t mean that they couldn’t have been under the influence of some substance.



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20 Jul 2025, 6:22 am

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It doesn’t mean that they couldn’t have been under the influence of some substance. I wasn’t suggesting alcohol.


Police would be familiar with drug users given people on hallucinogens are likely to be commonly represented in police home calls or public disturbances. If the father was considered high the first thing the police would do is confiscate his guns and incarcerate him given he firing his weapon for 4 hrs straight.



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20 Jul 2025, 6:25 am

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Highly unlikely or not, it’s still way more likely than aliens. People have done stuff like this and MUCH stranger things. It’s not even hard for me to believe.


I actually agree with you on the balance of probabilities. But there's enough doubt for this case to remain an X-file.



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20 Jul 2025, 6:28 am

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It doesn’t mean that they couldn’t have been under the influence of some substance. I wasn’t suggesting alcohol.
Police would be familiar with drug users given people on hallucinogens are likely to be commonly represented in police home calls or public disturbances. If the father was considered high the first thing the police would do is confiscate his guns and incarcerate him given he firing his weapon for 4 hrs straight.
You keep on making general statements about topics you don’t know much about - like owls, rural Kentucky, or hallucinogenic substances - to handwave away other possibilities when other possibilities exist. It’s possible for people to be under the influence of something and have strange experiences without appearing high. It has happened.



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20 Jul 2025, 6:37 am

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You keep on making general statements to handwave away other possibilities when other possibilities exist. Depending on the substance, it’s possible for people to be under the influence of something and have strange experiences without appearing high. It has happened.

Yes indeed. And it's often a long term exposure issue. Some kind of household mold, fungus, gas, bad well water etc that finally elicits delusions and paranoia. I've heard of that happening far more often than actual goblin attacks taking place.



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20 Jul 2025, 8:46 am

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It doesn’t mean that they couldn’t have been under the influence of some substance. I wasn’t suggesting alcohol.
Police would be familiar with drug users given people on hallucinogens are likely to be commonly represented in police home calls or public disturbances. If the father was considered high the first thing the police would do is confiscate his guns and incarcerate him given he firing his weapon for 4 hrs straight.
You keep on making general statements about topics you don’t know much about - like owls, rural Kentucky, or hallucinogenic substances - to handwave away other possibilities when other possibilities exist. It’s possible for people to be under the influence of something and have strange experiences without appearing high. It has happened.


And you know this because?



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20 Jul 2025, 8:49 am

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You keep on making general statements to handwave away other possibilities when other possibilities exist. Depending on the substance, it’s possible for people to be under the influence of something and have strange experiences without appearing high. It has happened.

Yes indeed. And it's often a long term exposure issue. Some kind of household mold, fungus, gas, bad well water etc that finally elicits delusions and paranoia. I've heard of that happening far more often than actual goblin attacks taking place.


Meanwhile aliens are laughing at our collective ignorance. But we deserve this as a species



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20 Jul 2025, 8:59 am

There’s lots of information out there on this topic. It’s not exactly a secret that substances can cause hallucinations and affect people in different ways. People don’t have to be obviously stoned to have weird experiences. I will say that I’m not sure that police in the 50s would be experts on altered states anyway, especially since they didn’t have the depth of research on hallucinogenic substances then that we have today. As it’s been described, I wouldn’t describe the people’s behavior as normal, though.



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20 Jul 2025, 9:02 am

If aliens were actually real most everyone would know for a fact that they are real. That's what seperates the actual from the mythical.



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21 Jul 2025, 5:21 am

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You'll have to point out were the police saw any strange beings hanging around, because I certainly didn't see that in any Las Vegas Metro bodycam footage. And I've looked through all of it.


Sorry, too many videos, yes the one showing the cloaked alien is Angel Kenmores. However, it holds up under forensic analysis as per the article I posted.
Scott Roder is one of the most famous crime scene experts in the world.
https://evidence-room.net/introducing-s ... on-expert/

Not sure he would endanger his global reputation by spruiking a hoax.



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21 Jul 2025, 5:26 am

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If aliens were actually real most everyone would know for a fact that they are real. That's what seperates the actual from the mythical.

Unless they do not want us to know.
wildlife reserves are created with the intention they are kept pristine and humans don't interfere in ecosystems. Perhaps earth is a human wildlife reserve.



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21 Jul 2025, 5:40 am

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You'll have to point out were the police saw any strange beings hanging around, because I certainly didn't see that in any Las Vegas Metro bodycam footage. And I've looked through all of it.


Sorry, too many videos, yes the one showing the cloaked alien is Angel Kenmores. However, it holds up under forensic analysis as per the article I posted.
Scott Roder is one of the most famous crime scene experts in the world.
https://evidence-room.net/introducing-s ... on-expert/

Not sure he would endanger his global reputation by spruiking a hoax.

Would we be having a debate like this over the existence of something known to be real, like flying fish or platypuses?



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21 Jul 2025, 5:58 am

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Would we be having a debate like this over the existence of something known to be real, like flying fish or platypuses?


Not sure what that has to do with the film?



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21 Jul 2025, 8:13 am

cyberdora wrote:
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Would we be having a debate like this over the existence of something known to be real, like flying fish or platypuses?


Not sure what that has to do with the film?

Roder doesn't know what he's looking at. He's just describing what he thinks it looks like. Nobody knows what any of this stuff is. So there's no reason to say it's extraterrestrial aliens in my opinion. What about all of the other phenomena Angel Kenmore has been describing like the floating upside down cross and bible pages turning by themselves? That sounds a lot more supernatural than extraterrestrial. None of it proves extraterrestrial aliens are real. There's no reason to believe 9 foot cloaked but somehow visible "creatures" or little goblins etc are extraterrestrial beings.



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21 Jul 2025, 2:53 pm

It sure seems like the god-of-the-gaps fallacy is being reinterpreted for aliens. If we can't prove it's not aliens, then it's gotta be aliens because <insert additional logical fallacies here>.


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