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16 Aug 2025, 7:59 pm

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There is nothing to support any notion that any of these cities were any more advanced than other cities of their times.


Civilisations like Gobleke tepe and Gudung Padang which at the very least emerged after the end of the younger Dryas show evidence of organised labour, advanced construction techniques, understanding of astronomy and probably required agriculture to feed a hungry workforce. Hunter gatherers don't just wake up from their caves and come up with these skills. Based on unexcavated layers these structures predate the ice age/younger Dryas by thousands of years.

I've mentioned on a few occasions the oldest structures in Mesoamerica, Giza and the Indus valley show advanced skills lost in later dynasties that came later.

I am willing to concede prediluvian civilisations weren't actually some type of "techno-utopia", but historic memory etched into carvings of myths point to (at the very least) continuity from prediluvian times interrupted by comet strikes, ice ages, desertification, famine and floods.


Human beings did not exist prior to our current ice age. I don't know when the last comet strike of any appreciable size occurred, but seriously doubt that human beings existed at the time. Yeah, the strike in Tunguska may have been a small part of a comet, but it appears to have been an asteroid.



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16 Aug 2025, 8:09 pm

Skills and knowledge are frequently lost as mankind develops newer and more advanced ways to do the same thing or as technology changes, not that the lost skills and knowledge were magically more advanced.



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16 Aug 2025, 8:16 pm

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Human beings did not exist prior to our current ice age. I don't know when the last comet strike of any appreciable size occurred, but seriously doubt that human beings existed at the time. Yeah, the strike in Tunguska may have been a small part of a comet, but it appears to have been an asteroid.


Deglaciation began following the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), which occurred around 21,000 years ago.



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16 Aug 2025, 8:20 pm

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Human beings did not exist prior to our current ice age. I don't know when the last comet strike of any appreciable size occurred, but seriously doubt that human beings existed at the time. Yeah, the strike in Tunguska may have been a small part of a comet, but it appears to have been an asteroid.


Deglaciation began following the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), which occurred around 21,000 years ago.


Our current ice age, the Quaternary, began about 2.6 million years ago.

We are currently in a warm period of this ice age.



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16 Aug 2025, 8:46 pm

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Skills and knowledge are frequently lost as mankind develops newer and more advanced ways to do the same thing or as technology changes, not that the lost skills and knowledge were magically more advanced.


I could potentially write an essay on why skills are lost over time. Let's take one simple example. All school children are taught the first electrical battery, known as the voltaic pile, was invented by Alessandro Volta in 1800.

However it seems the application of transferring electricity via a voltaic cell was understood 2000 years earlier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery

Infact batteries may have been invented even further back in antiquity

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So if the science of batteries was known and applied 2000 years ago in electroplating then why did we forget?
Answer: new empires come along, wipe out older ones killing everyone.

Heck! ever heard of the dark ages? Greek/Roman science was lost for 1000 years, infact Europe had to re-learn the basics of science from the Arabs.

Archaeologists seem to have a problem applying what happened in the modern era to loss of knowledge in ancient times. they have been allowed to be gatekeepers of inquiry and block legitimate investigation under the guise of labelling everything as pseudoscience. Gobleke tepe was a slap in the face in 1992 when archaeology made fun of Graham Hancock's proposal that advanced civilisations existed prior to 3000BC.



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16 Aug 2025, 8:52 pm

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Our current ice age, the Quaternary, began about 2.6 million years ago.

We are currently in a warm period of this ice age.


I accept the dates but deglaciation did happen periodically, How do you think Siberians were able to cross the Bering straits 30,000 years ago.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-22-ea ... -years-ago



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16 Aug 2025, 9:07 pm

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Our current ice age, the Quaternary, began about 2.6 million years ago.

We are currently in a warm period of this ice age.


I accept the dates but deglaciation did happen periodically, How do you think Siberians were able to cross the Bering straits 30,000 years ago.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-22-ea ... -years-ago


Of course there were other warm periods. There have been other interglacial warm periods. Has anyone said that there weren't?

And don't forget that sea level was dramatically lower 30,000 years ago. I don't know whether they crossed on ice or on land exposed by lower sea levels.



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17 Aug 2025, 4:39 am

In addition to Siberians, Australian aborigines may have made a cross-oceanic crossing over the Pacific

https://www.livescience.com/south-ameri ... ction.html



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17 Aug 2025, 4:46 am

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^^^ that assumes several things not supported in myth

Ultimately all civilisations say "gods" came down to earth or emerged from the ocean and taught mankind knowledge. According to the Atlantis myth, Sumerians, feathered Serpent or Indian myth of Manu, the teachers came from the sea. this means evidence of an advanced civilisation and associated carbon is submerged under the ocean.

there are underwater anomalies but lack of $$ being allocated.

In the Giza plateau Egypt there are advanced underground cities identified forbidden by Egyptian antiquities to dig or investigate and in Gobleke tepe Türkiye and Gunung Padang Indonesia 95% of remains are unexcavated due to stalling by government red tape.

So yes, evidence is there waiting to be dug up but currently in the realm of forbidden archaeology.

The Atmospheric carbon in core samples referred to prevails globally regardless of source.

Although ice-core-sampling as a window into the past is only as good as our theories, and someone then explain the Piri Reis map



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17 Aug 2025, 5:24 pm

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The Atmospheric carbon in core samples referred to prevails globally regardless of source.


Not really applicable to sea peoples. the ocean was likely a superhighway in prehistoric times. So it made sense prehistoric cities were coastal and not inland. when you had collective memory of global flood myths then logically coastal cities being submerged (literally ancient Egyptian/Greek story of Atlantis and South Indian oral tradition of a submerged kingdom of Kumari Kandam) means if you are going to find carbon residue from settlement it's going to be under the ocean.

Already evidence is being dredged up of thousands and thousands of stone ships anchors of unknown age and origin. Also evidence of harbours in South America and India going back to a time sea levels were lower. two examples are the Bimini road of the Bahamas and Hanuman's underwater bridge linking northern Sri Lanka with ethe tip of Southern India. the latter bridge is mentioned in the ancient Indian text called the Ramayana. Of course it was considered a myth until the invention of Satellite cameras. Imagine everyone's surprise when the first NASA images came back!

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