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QuantumChemist
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25 Mar 2025, 7:52 am

When I graduated with my doctorate in chemistry, it was unfortunately during the great recession. My first post-graduation job was teaching chemistry at a local community college. I was paid less than what a starting grade schoolteacher (with a bachelor's degree) was making. (The one I talked to made $7000 more than me that year.) If that was not bad enough, my contract forced me to teach classes during the summer for adjunct pay (much less than my regular 10 monthly paychecks). I had to drive back and forth 30 miles each day to teach there. My net pay after gas during the summer months ended up being $100 for two months work. Once the economy started to get better a few years later, I jumped ship to a university. It paid better and gave me my summer off to work on my projects. The community college job only required a bachelor's degree in that position, but they wanted me to replace the retiring chemist that had a doctorate. I should have turned that one down.

There are very little jobs for a high science degree in rural America. That is why they suffer from brain drain, as graduates tend to move away to the big cities for their careers. Most chemists head to Kansas City to make their money.



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18 Apr 2025, 8:22 am

I have known and worked with many people in such situations. Either they had a lot of experience or high degrees. Some took low jobs and didn't work their way back up and some just let the employment gap grow because they would not take that low job.

The trick here is to cater your experience to the job for which you are applying. You may have to take off a degree or highlight some skills over others. When you are in the job, pay attention to your tasks and deliver what they are looking for. If you are looking to move up, submit a fresh resume to HR and just tell them that you left off things before because you were targeting your current position.

If someone asks why did you pursue XYZ degree but not get a job in it, the answer is that it was for your own enrichment. You pursued the job because it was a great opportunity.



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28 Jun 2025, 5:24 pm

I heard lots of film school graduates end up working random odd jobs because having the right connections is very important in Hollywood.


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28 Jun 2025, 5:36 pm

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
What are some examples of people that got a lot of education and work at jobs that are unskilled?


I have read that some people with doctorates in physics keep two different resumes on hand. One resume includes their doctorate and information about it but the other stops at a masters or bachelors degree.

Supposedly, there are far more people with PhD's in physics than there are positions that need a PhD available to them. Many employers, though, don't want to spend money on their training if they think that the applicant will leave as soon as they can find something else.

For what it's worth, of the three physics students I knew best, only one of them had a job that was related to physics but he passed away from a heart attack while still pretty young. Another worked for his family publishing company and the third became a realtor. There were some others that I lost track of when they graduated so I don't know what they did.



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28 Jun 2025, 5:50 pm

One of the Great Ironys of Life . :ninja: ..... Lifes Paths


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01 Jul 2025, 9:44 pm

cory used to be a software engineer and then he got laid off and worked at trader joe's for crew member.

shakthi said she used to be a medical doctor and now she is a yoga instructor.

barbara used to be a nutritionist and now she is a gymnastics instructor.



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16 Dec 2025, 3:13 pm

Iolo Morganwg, insanely brilliant Welsh antiquarian/forger, worked himself to death as a stone-mason... well, that is highly skilled work, but tremendously hard on the body and not his chosen field.

Bruce Mitchell, possibly unsurpassed Anglo-Saxon linguist, worked as a labourer before taking up a post at Oxford.


This is fictional :P it's a film about a busker who fixes vacuum cleaners who meets a cleaner with a dodgy vacuum cleaner who turns out to be a classically trained pianist. (This song is usually referred to as a love song, but personally I find it very sad.) I think it is a very realistic scenario: I have known several people on restrictive visas, immigrants/former asylum seekers facing discrimination, etc., who have not been able to use advanced degrees.



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19 Dec 2025, 8:06 pm

According to the news, plenty of people, even software engineers, especially software engineers, been getting made redundant and laid off and fired lately

Some of them eager and willing to take any old monkey job, even if they are overqualified

At least as of today I still got a dumpster fire "job"

Maybe those skunks will have the nerve to make my worthless corpse redundant tomorrow

(Shrug)



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02 Jan 2026, 5:39 pm

Oh Francis Thompson, the poet, beautifully educated, did very menial work to survive. It is said that Oscar Wilde attended a recitation of his poems and said something like (paraphrasing from memory), "Who is that? That is what I have been trying to do all my life." I think the poet in Bernard Shaw's Candida was probably at least partially based on him.

Mark yonder, how the long laburnum drips
Its jocund spilth of fire, its honey of wild flame


(I liked that bit. Jocund spilth of fire.)



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15 Jan 2026, 7:05 pm

after 2008, 2020, and currently, plenty of insects with much better job skills and personalities than me, have gotten made redundant and took jobs that they were grotesquely overqualified for.

so maybe i "should" be grateful just to have *a* job. even though some of the supervisors and ASMs are so academically stupid they do not even know how to write complete sentences. (shrug)

"and Resignation was her crony"



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02 Feb 2026, 10:51 pm

some of the ASM's, like DSmith, act so academically stupid, i don't understand how they haven't gotten made redundant thus far. ASM aaron pretty stupid too.

dsmith tried to close the refrisgerator door and failed,. (former) supervisor rafael tried to close the door and failed. then a regular associate tried and succeeded to close the door.

ask those lil tarantulas the slightest question and they don't know the answer.

she should've gotten made redundant a long time ago.



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04 Feb 2026, 5:50 am

BSB degree in accounting. I was pretty burned out by office work and ended up in construction for a while. Coworkers were always shocked by my background. Cool job, felt accomplished every day, but very dangerous and much lower paying. And schedule very unpredictable.

I'm back in office work. Stress still sucks, but it beats working outside in the winter IMO. :mrgreen: