Israel Bombs Tehran

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The Hamas terrorists that they are going after keep hiding among the civilians. They cannot just not go after them. They are the ones to blame for that, not the Israelis.

You are making some excellent points.

^ To me, it looks like whataboutism. This thread is about Israel bombing Tehran. I talked about genocide because I thought it would be a good idea to clarify a comment on that topic by citing sources. A thread on “genocide Olympics” might be more appropriate for PPR.

I disagree with your stance here. Israel is to blame for Israel’s behavior. The US is also culpable. If Israel killed children while claiming that Hamas was hiding among them, it doesn’t change the fact that Israel killed children. They’re also killing children by denying them aid.

People often see this topic as a false dilemma (scroll down). I’m appalled by Hamas’s behavior, but that doesn’t mean it legitimizes Israel’s, especially taking into account settlers and scores of human rights violations they’ve committed over the years.

I don't see it as a good guys vs bad guys thing. It seems to be more of a bad guys vs bad guys.

Because of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, I have had a rather low opinion of Israel.

That said, I have a far lower opinion of Hamas and consider them to be far scummier than Israel.

There was absolutely no legitimate excuse for the Hamas attack of Oct 7, 2023. To excuse those in any way is a clear support of the rape, torture, and murder of women and children. By committing those attacks, Hamas deserves everything Israel might do to them.

So, when Israel attacks America, they're bad, but when they engage in ethnic cleansing that's totally kosher?

It is not at all comparable. America did not attack Israel. On the other hand, Israel and the Arabs there have been attacking each other for a long time.

Sounds like you're offering excuses for ethnic cleansing, as though it's acceptable when certain people do it against other certain people.

If your response includes well, it's not okay, but... you're making excuses and admitting a tolerance for ethnic cleansing.

Never again was supposed to mean never again, not never again unless Israel does it.

Nope. If it had been Israeli terrorists attacking a Palestinian gathering on Oct 7, 2023 and raping, torturing, and murdering the women and children, I would just as strongly condemn them for their actions.

Meanwhile you don't say anything about Israel raping, torturing and murdering Palestinians since the 40s, which kinda deflates your claim that you'd say something about Israel raping, torturing and murdering Palestinians.

I don't know what they call that where you're from, but where I'm from that's called lying.

I have to agree with you there. I'm also questioning why certain people are so quick to hate Israel so extremely. Most people are not giving Israel a "free pass to commit genocide". While I hate what Israel is doing to the Palesentians I also see clearly that Jew-hatred is alive and well, hiding behind a mask of "antizionism".

It's a crazy world we live in when saying the Palestinians shouldn't be stolen from, raped, tortured and exterminated by an occupying power amounts to Jew-hatred in some people's mind.

Nobody should be subjected to such behaviour.

It's never acceptable.
It isn't acceptable sometimes, when the designated good guys do it and it isn't hatred to condemn it when the designated good guys do it.

Condemning excesses by the US, Russian or Israeli militaries doesn't doesn't inherently mean sympathy for their enemies. Further, even if you have issues with the ideology of the defensive groups (like Hamas or Azov battalion or whatever), that doesn't negate the people being attacked's inherent right to self-defence. If the self-defence groups have terrible ideologies, that's a problem that can be addressed once the emergency is over.

An occupying power can't really claim the same right to self-defence as their victims. All they can claim is might makes right.

One doesn't need to sympathize with a group like Azov or Hamas to recognize that they're the people putting their lives on the line to address an existential threat being imposed upon their people.

It is imbecilic to think that my strong condemnation of Hamas for their October 7, 2023 attack somehow implies that I think that everything Israel has done is great.

Shouldn't that read
[quote]they're the people putting their lives on the line to address an existential threat being imposed upon their people by raping, torturing, and murdering women and children and by using civilians as shields.[quote]

No, it read exactly as I intended, but enjoy your kool-aid.




It's nice that you're willing to concede that in private, but it sure seems like you don't care about it because you never take it into consideration before before offering excuses for Israel's actions.

The core problem is that a grand theft was inflicted upon the Palestinians and that Israelis will do anything to defend this theft, which obviously provokes resistance.

It's imbecilic to think that your private thoughts that remain unshared are somehow relevant to the discussion, given the positions you espouse don't seem to be reconcilable with the private thoughts you're now claiming.

There's a deep disconnect between your thoughts and your words.

The Iranians are not bad people. They're a people that have been pushed into a corner due to meddling by the US and foreign interests. It's hard to say what their political system would really look like if they didn't need to orient so much around threats to their sovereignty. They just elected a more moderate President not that long ago and the Israelis intentionally violated their sovereignty to undermine him.

I'm not sure why we would expect them to not elect hardliners when the US and Israel humiliates the more moderate choices when they vote for them. And, the current Ayatollah is in his late 80s, which means that with or without any "help" he could well die within the next few years and if the country has been backed into a corner with this recklessness by the US and Israel, the replacement will definitely not be from a more moderate corner of their establishment.

It was largely the same thing in Gaza where they had an election years ago and Israel effectively rigged it in favor of Hamas rather than letting the people choose the people they wanted.

The same really goes for the Palestinians who don't even have a proper military to defend themselves with.

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I think there's too much propaganda on the internet and not enough critical thinking.