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10 Mar 2019, 11:56 pm

Also took the test thing
R vs D. You are 48% Republican, which makes you:

48%
More Neutral (leaning a little more towards Liberal): you are pretty neutral with your political beliefs, but you a few more Liberal beliefs.

The questions don't have enough options though


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11 Mar 2019, 6:54 am

AngelRho wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
Prometheus18 wrote:
Politics: Social conservatism, democratic socialism in economics, pro-life, anti-gay 'marriage', pro-Brexit, anti-Trump, anti-China, anti-marxist, anti-cultural revisionism, etc. Etc.

Philosophy: empiricism, skepticism, Epicureanism, Stoicism, anti-Platonism, nominalism, compatibilism, hedonism, utilitarianism, logical positivism and logical atomism.

Religion: Atheism, agnosticism, deism, mysticism.

Why hedonism?


'Cause it's fun? hehehe

Why do you want to sacrifice morality.


You don't have to sacrifice morality to practice hedonism if you do it in moderation. Pleasure is OK in moderation, it's not immoral to enjoy pleasure and to seek pleasure.


But is hedonism at all compatible with moderation?


I thought the basic definition of hedonism is just the seeking of pleasure, but if it's meant to include "to excess" then I would still say I think seeking pleasure in moderation is not immoral. Enjoying good food, good sex, good music, whatever sensual experiences you like to enjoy that give you pleasure--I don't think it's immoral to indulge in such things in moderation for the sake of pleasure.

That's one aspect of some major religions that I've never personally understood, the concept of pleasure-seeking itself being sinful or immoral, makes no sense to me.

Major religions I think have corrupted the purpose of human existence. Why would God place Adam in the garden naked if He didn’t intend for Adam to take pleasure from creation?

I think Christians ought to be pleasure-seekers. The difference between rational pleasure-seeking and hedonism the way most people understand it is that hedonism is mindless. Moderation isn’t a feature of hedonism (only seeking pleasure in the strictest sense), but rather asking whether a form of pleasure is actually beneficial or harmful. Reducing human reasoning to pure instinct and reward makes us unthinking animals with no independent agency (animals can’t choose self-harm, for instance, or when to mate, or how many times they mate). Humans can choose whether we give in to animal urges, get drunk, get high, become addicted to drugs, f$&@ prostitutes and get diseases, or commit suicide. Opiates give me pleasure. Reason and agency tell me “that ain’t the way to have fun, son.”

It's funny that human nature is basically created by God itself.



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12 Mar 2019, 8:54 pm

Well...what exactly is human nature, anyway? Creative power? Agency? Selfish? Capacity for sin? Rational? Human nature as created by God lacked the capacity for sin but DID have the capacity for, well...essentially for suicide, the ability to say "we've had enough of God's perfect world. I want something better." Without that, human beings cannot demonstrate a willing desire to be in God's presence. We're nothing more than robots driven by a programmed instinct, not by independent reason. I don't believe Adam was conscious of what "a" sin might be. He didn't consciously only do good. He simply existed in a state in which all he COULD do was good, whereas he couldn't have committed a sin even if he KNEW what it was. The tree of knowledge of good and evil represented an exit, a sort of "red pill," except instead of freedom (escaping the Matrix, so to speak), we only got some other form of spiritual slavery. Gaining knowledge and power over good/evil wasn't the original sin. It was the arrogance thinking human beings could somehow attain higher status than the Creator. It's that which has stuck with us and redefined the order of the universe, not just human nature.

Is God selfish? I think He is, and being the definition of holiness and good, divine selfishness is a virtue, not a sin. Divine anger is not a sin. Human beings destroying human life is not inherently a sin. Selfishness can seek the best in one's self and in others. Anger results in justice for the oppressed, mercy for those in need, and compassion for those who struggle. Killing another person in defense of oneself or one's nation once violence has already been initiated by an attacker--there's nothing wrong with that. I'd NEVER advocate for war, for senseless violence or for killing anyone, but I recognize it is an unfortunate necessity for survival when one's life is directly threatened. Those things are not in and of themselves sins, but rather the result of existing in a broken world. Theft is a sin. Restoring what rightfully belongs to someone is not, even if nonviolent force is necessary. I'd never kill someone for stealing from me. I'd kill someone for threatening my life or my family.

The human nature God created us with was the capacity for good OR evil and the conscious ability to choose one over the other. Human nature AS IT EXISTS is a sad Duck-Taped attempt at improving on perfection. For apologists who invoke "best of all possible worlds" in an argument for God, do you REALLY think this is the best possible world? REALLY??? But nevertheless, insofar as God made human nature to be perfect, our nature does continue to reflect God's nature--even if the mirror has become tarnished.



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02 Apr 2020, 4:59 am

Dylanperr wrote:
Political : Imperialist Capitalist Constitutional Monarchist. Anarcho Capitalist and Individualist Anarchism as well. Or anything resembling American/Western Democracy and/or Constitutional Monarchism

Philosophical : Individualist, Free Markets, Voluntaryism, Small Government, Anti Bureaucracy, Anti Communism, Anti Marxism, Anti Supranationalism, Anti Globalism.

Religious : Atheist/Agnostic.

None I am not political anymore. The Imperialist thing I was talking about was based off of New France where the French got along with the natives and traded with them and had good relationships. Exploitive Imperialism like that in Africa and Asia is terrible.



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02 Apr 2020, 7:51 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Politics: Liberal Radical Centrist
Religion: None
Epistemology: Empiricism (in the main)
Ethics: objective, and mostly teleological, but with deontological and aretaic components (essentially, I believe deontological and aretaic goods can be understood in utilitarian terms)
Aesthetics: objective

Based politics, religion, and epistemology although I’m more aware of the importance of postmodernism.

Ethics:

I think by “objective” I meant something more like “universal”. I still see where I was coming from but again, on the margins the postmodernists have good points - are any two situations ever exactly the same and therefore does it really make sense to talk of universal ethics?

I think my ethics are probably more deontological now- I’d place more emphasis on human rights. But I think economic ethics can only be understood in a utilitarian fashion.

Aesthetics: again I understand what I was getting at here, but I think it is extremely simplistic. I’d rather go the complete other way and say all aesthetics are subjective, if somewhat predictable.



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22 Apr 2020, 3:02 am

Iamaparakeet wrote:
Just list what your actual views are here.

Political:
1980's Republican basically, I'm pro-Israel, anti-abortion, pro lifelong heterosexual monogamy, pro-freedom of speech.
Philosophical: pessimism basically, since it's easier to expect the worst and be proven wrong.
Religious: Christian, nondenominational, protestant, somewhere between Baptist and Pentecostal.

Political: Nationalist and Libertarian. I am a true Democrat before the concept lost all meaning and significance. I believe in self rule with a minimalist government, however I also understand human nature, as it is, can never allow such things to exist.
Philosophical: I am pretty much a down to earth stoic with a penchant for reductionism, solipsism and nihilism..I like Albert Camus, John Paul Satre and other existentialist thinkers.
Religious: A combination of Kashmir Shaivism, Advaita Vedanta and Tibetan Buddhism but if anybody asks, I just tell them I am a Hindu.



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22 Apr 2020, 6:06 am

Politics: Social Democrat tinted very Green.

Philosophy: Fallibilism, this means you maybe justified in your beliefs based on empirical evidence but that evidence and hence your beliefs are probably wrong. This was a useful worldview when I was diagnosed at 56.

Religion: Avout/Atheist



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31 Mar 2021, 1:12 pm

Political debates are a waste of time because governments no matter what political ideology they are, are ran by humans, and humans are a lot of times selfish with a lot of them also being good as well.

Political debates are a waste of time in my opinion because every ideology has its strengths and weaknesses and no matter what political ideology there is in power governments are ran by human beings which a lot of them are selfish by nature.

So I blame government corruption on human tendencies rather than any political ideology or form of government.

Political debates are a waste of time in my opinion because EVERY ideology and EVERY form of government are eventually going to have bad and incompetent leaders and each  have have their strengths and weaknesses, so there is no ideology or form of government that is absolutely perfect, and no matter what political ideology there is in power governments are ran by human beings which a lot of them are selfish by nature.

The only exception I see to my argument is certain Totalitarian regimes such as the Nazis, Soviets, Maoist China, Khmer Rouge, and North Korea where the regimes are so uniquely evil where if they didnt exist no one else would of took their place.



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31 Mar 2021, 1:20 pm

Dylanperr wrote:
Political debates are a waste of time because governments no matter what political ideology they are, are ran by humans, and humans are a lot of times selfish with a lot of them also being good as well.

Political debates are a waste of time in my opinion because every ideology has its strengths and weaknesses and no matter what political ideology there is in power governments are ran by human beings which a lot of them are selfish by nature.

So I blame government corruption on human tendencies rather than any political ideology or form of government.

Political debates are a waste of time in my opinion because EVERY ideology and EVERY form of government are eventually going to have bad and incompetent leaders and each  have have their strengths and weaknesses, so there is no ideology or form of government that is absolutely perfect, and no matter what political ideology there is in power governments are ran by human beings which a lot of them are selfish by nature.

The only exception I see to my argument is certain Totalitarian regimes such as the Nazis, Soviets, Maoist China, Khmer Rouge, and North Korea where the regimes are so uniquely evil where if they didnt exist no one else would of took their place.

Here is the most common debates against every ideology/form of government.

Monarchy: People who are against it like to say it's outdated. But in reality democracy and republicanism are pretty old to and the oldest republic is San Marino which is older than most monarchies.

Democracy: People who are against it like to say it divides the people. But in reality any ideology can divide people.

Theocracy: People who are against it like to that say rule by religion is bad. But bad leadership exists under every ideology and philosophy as well.

Oligarchy: People who are against it like to say rule by a few is bad. But in reality bad leadership can happen under any amount of people.

Authoritarian dictatorships: People who are against it like to say the leaders are power hungry. But in reality leaders of any ideology can be power hungry, and you don't even have to be a leader to be power hungry/control freak.

And it goes on and on, the only exception I see certain totalitarian regimes (like I mentioned earlier) are so evil that if they didn't do what they did no one else likely would of.



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31 Mar 2021, 9:35 pm

Politics
Economic: Social Democracy/considering Market Socialism. I want a strong safety net and for workers to have more control of the workplace but I don't think individually owned small businesses are inherently oppressive if the owner contributes a lot and the workers are treated well. There should be strong unions regardless and I want to figure out how to increase worker ownership of company shares as businesses grow and individual responsibility decreases without discouraging growth. Maybe some progressive bracketed system analogous to taxes?
Civil: The US should have a parliament where half the seats are single member and have boundaries drawn by an algorithm (so they can't be gerrymandered), and half are elected proportionally by party nationwide (basically Germany's system). I'm strongly opposed to discrimination and to money in politics. Otherwise mostly libertarian on civil and social issues but not to an extreme extent (cars and guns should require licenses, the use of all drugs should be decriminalized but some should remain illegal to sell or manufacture, etc.).
Philosophy
Epistemology: Empiricism
Meta-Ethics: Quasi-realism
Normative Ethics: Rule Utilitarianism/ Justice Ethics
Free Will: Hard-Incompatibilism (free will is incompatible with both determinism and indeterminism), Psychological Determinism
Mind-Body Problem: Leaning towards monism but against panpsychism (A dimension of information, parts of which can be self-aware if arranged in the right way?). All I'm confident of is that dualism is false.
Universals: Nominalist.
Religion
Atheist. Anti-theist in the sense that I think religious ideas do more harm than good, especially divine command theory and the idea of faith being a virtue. I don't think all religious people are stupid or bad or that every sect or teaching has been harmful overall.



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03 Apr 2021, 7:25 am

Politics: When I first started having an interest in politics at 12 years old, I was your average conservative. Then at 14ish, I became a libertarian conservative. A minarchist and a paleolibertarian to be more specific. Then at 16 I basically matured out of libertarianism. Now I'm more of a centrist. When I reach the voting age, I will be registering as an independent.

Religion: Former Christian, now an atheist. Grew up an independent fundamental Baptist. My folks got divorced when I was 10 and they stopped going to church so with that I fell away from the faith. During my adolescence, I would constantly make a recommitment and then fall away again. In mid 2020, I made a recommitment again. This time, I left the Baptist denomination and became more fond of apostolic Christianity. I didn't join any specific church or denomination. I started attending Methodist church services as more of a momentary thing. Then later that year I fell away again. So here we are now. Honestly, I can't ever see myself becoming religious again, which is fine.



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03 Apr 2021, 9:12 am

^^^i like your trend ;)