I think Aspergeans should NOT have children

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hmm, I'm not you or anything but sometimes I say things the wrong way and it appears to be much harsher than intended. Is that the case for you? If not you are sounding alot like people that hate others for being different. Are you just mirroring how others have made you feel?

Yes, I have had NTs snap at me over "innocent" comments I have made.



I don't dislike aspergeans more than I dislike myself.

Okay just wanted to ask before assuming. I can relate to self loathing at times but after analyzing everything it doesn't make me suddenly want to develop a cheerleader-esque attitude. What I'm really trying to say is *hugs*

Heres a thought. Suggesting that aspies shouldnt breed is implying that they shouldnt exist, and as a lot of us ARE aspies, that implies WE should not exist, that we are an aberration, something to be stamped out, something that is wrong.

Any wonder that people get a teensy bit offended about the subject?

EXACTLY! That is exactly why I get so offended. When I get offended, I tend to say things in ways that I don't mean them. I am treated like I should not exist, that my children should not exist, and it hurts and offends me greatly. This world seems to be well on its way to something akin to Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron" where only exact equality is allowed and individuality is punishable by death. They would "hinder" the athletic and the intelligent to make them exactly average and raise up those who were beneath. Those that couldn't be..."disappeared". Would we disappear in that society? People today are threatened by those who are different in any way. Though life has been hard for me because of my asperger's I love life and appreciate my differences...my children's too. My neurotypical brother suffers because he is very intelligent and was made fun of for that. My neurotypical son faces teasing over his intelligence and his superior sporting abilities. It doesn't matter what the difference is, people judge you and make fun. I am teased even at this level in college! It is asinine. I see what they have to offer me; why can they not see what I may offer them?

And I apologize for coming across as egotistical or arrogant. When I am hurt or angry, it is a defense mechanism I cope with; I feel the need to "prove" I have a right to exist and be It is very difficult to overcome years of being treated as though you do not have the right to be here at all. I do not mean to be. I have nothing to be arrogant about. Anything I have, any talent I posses, was a gift from God and not my own anyways. I am who He determined I should be. I just felt threatened so I bit back. My social mistakes usually are because...everything can seem threatening depending on the situation. Since I have no chance at reading voice or face here, (like it would help in person!) I could not tell the true reason behind this posting.

If you feel you should not have kids, don't have them. My sister-in-law is not having children by choice and she has nothing wrong with her. She simply does not wish to be a mother. Or, if you want kids but are afraid to raise an Autie/aspie, adopt. There are thousands of children in need of good homes. However, there is no guarantee there...I am adopted and aspie.

Again, a thousand apologies if any offense was taken by anyone here.

Actually it really isn't irresponsible. The fact that these message boards are free and open means that the consensus of the message boards will by and large tell posters what is acceptible and what is not. Now of course if there is something really serious such as criminal behavior, intentional defamation, or falsely impersonating other posters that's a whole different matter. But if we always relied on the administrator to protect us how could we learn to develop the message board savvy to be able to protect ourselves? If Evilmonkey wants to post nonsense statements he/she should feel free to do so but I also feel Evilmonkey does so at his/her own risk.

CockneyRebel,

I was in a "special ed" class in first grade because I didn't speak English. However, I learned more in that class than I ever learned in my life. I wound up reading at fifth grade level by the end of first grade. I don't think I would have realized my potential if I had been in a regular classroom.

I scored high on verbal tests, so I am definitely not "ret*d" in that respect. I am very shy, bookish and an introvert. I consider myself somewhat of a nerd.

Mw,

If you had said that you felt *you* should not breed because of your condition, you would have my full support (particularly as someone who had to make a similar decision for different reasons), but instead you you decided that NONE of us should breed.

I am sorry but that decision is not for you to make.

M

I can see how it would be easier to not read someone's post before replying.

I never said Einstein's work was worthless. I never said that a persons life work is meaningless because of a disability. I was saying that from a population genetics standpoint, seeing as though we lack natural predators to thin our numbers, voluntary celibacy is the only way to ensure that defective genes do not permeate into the population. "Should the guy with a genetic defect have no children?" Not if he cares about future generations. His 1 child will over generations ensure that the genetic defect multiplies into the generation through genetic drift.

You speak about Aspies being the next step in evolution; but evolution isn't simply about making sure that positive mutations are passed on, but that deletrious mutations are eliminated out of the gene pool.

I'm not talking about 'norms' I'm talking about measurable standards of success and biological fitness. I haven't said anything about concentrations camps or mistreating those who are different. I am merely asking that people exercise responsibility when it comes to reproduction and ask themselves whether making more copies of themselves is truly going to be better for humanity.

You have taken my statements completely out of context and set up a straw man to attack.

I wouldn't want my kids to suffer the way I suffered. It would be incredibly selfish on my part to have kids. I'd rather adopt.

That is your perrogative, stick with it. I'm really sick of the inferior and superior gene chat because it reminds me of ethnic cleansing

People always feel the need to be better than everyone else and if they aren't better than you at your so called limited interests then they will show that they are better than you at collecting people much like you collect your objects of choice or knowledge. In the end, it's still a form of collecting.

Well, a rather unhappy development related to this thread.

My wife and I were watching a TV show that talked about Treacher Collins Syndrome. My wife said that if she found that she was carrying a child that had something like that she'd have an abortion. Thinking of this thread I said, "well, you know, Asperger's is often inhereted from the parents."

After a moment she said, "well, hopefully they can test for that sort of thing by the time we have kids."

I asked why.

She said so she could have an abortion if the baby has AS.

I was devastated. She's basically said that she'd rather abort our child than have one that's like me. At the moment I'm really re-evaluating my relationship with her. I never thought my own wife would feel the way these other people do.

I would never abort my own child, for whatever reason.

I think that more people need too realize that not all students who wind up in Special Ed are slow learners. I've considered myself a really fast learner, when I was growing up. I was always one of the first pupils in my class to get my work done. The reason that I was put into Special Ed, was because of the poor social skills that I was having, at the age of six. I think that what the OP said about some of us admitting to being in Special Ed, was very ignorant on his part. If I ever end up winning a lottery, and finding a good man, I'll have lots of children. Heck! I'd even post their pictures on this site, just to rub it in his face. I'd be having kids, because I want to, and not in spite of him.

So what exactly about what i said was wrong? Call the thought police and cry more

You say that I (as a 15 year old guy) should have my balls cut off and should never breed for having a dodgy (and perhaps offensive) philosophy of aspergers syndome and expressing it on an internet forum?

You are either a troll, or the biggest most dangerous moron ever.

If you really knew so much about aspergers you would understand the previous post should be put aside, sure I made was just a pissed off attack at the credibility of many of this forums members, but I later said to "disregard it" cause it was fuelled by anger at other s**t.

The owner of this forum should have final say in this matter of course - So Alex should I be banned ?

Edit: Interesting to see that currently on your site the only members are you and what appears to be your son, other than that theres its just me

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I would be devastated too.