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14 Oct 2006, 5:19 am

like i said. i didn't see a problem with it at the time. i still don't. it was harmless fun (your practical jokes).
my point is that as ascan was making those claims about me, i hadn't even done anything, yet. i was sticking up for peoples rights.
still, i do believe that the only reason that i enjoyed a few of the practical jokes myself, is because i was told i couldn't.
ever the rebel.



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14 Oct 2006, 7:13 am

However, I will just add that there is a scale behind the intention of such jokes (from innocent, to moderate, to downright malicious) and, in retrospect, I can see how such things are open to abuse.


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14 Oct 2006, 11:17 am

If someone would post the URL of intensity squared...


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14 Oct 2006, 3:55 pm

its dead simple, just paste intensitysquared.com into your address bar... not that this is likely to last long, cos its not a site you're allowed to link to. ;)

perhaps if people were allowed to judge for themselves instead of being subjected to pages of BS and whining, these lovely people could have their thread back.


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14 Oct 2006, 4:02 pm

Yeah I looked that site up after hereing mentioned on this thread. Seemed very unactive
. I mean even WP gets slow some times and I want to bang my head on the wall because
I'm bored and alone. That site I would likely kill myself if that was the only forum.



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14 Oct 2006, 5:53 pm

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its dead simple, just paste intensitysquared.com into your address bar... not that this is likely to last long, cos its not a site you're allowed to link to. ;)

perhaps if people were allowed to judge for themselves instead of being subjected to pages of bull**** and whining, these lovely people could have their thread back.


Well, that was the general idea.


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15 Oct 2006, 3:38 am

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Yeah I looked that site up after hereing mentioned on this thread. Seemed very unactive
. I mean even WP gets slow some times and I want to bang my head on the wall because
I'm bored and alone. That site I would likely kill myself if that was the only forum.


Some of the forums on Intensity are only viewable to members. It's usually an active site, though it does go through slow periods every now and then.



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15 Oct 2006, 9:14 am

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perhaps if people were allowed to judge for themselves instead of being subjected to pages of bull**** and whining, these lovely people could have their thread back.

And I'm supposed to be the manipulative one? :lol: I think you've underestimated these lovely people's intelligence if you think they're likely to fall for that one!

As you are no doubt fully-aware, I have provided six links to Intensity in this thread; if anyone was curious about Intensity, all they needed to do was view one of those links and click the 'Home' button. However, it was you - or someone from your side of the argument - who decided that it was necessary to move one of those pages to a restricted access part of the site after I posted the link to it. So, if anyone is guilty of not allowing people to judge for themselves, it is you.


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16 Oct 2006, 3:58 pm

i cannot allow you to kill this thread, anti header.



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17 Oct 2006, 3:29 am

Queen Omega wrote:
Callaway wrote:
I think...

Callaway wrote:
I think...

Callaway wrote:
I guess...

Callaway wrote:
I don't see...

Callaway wrote:
I think...

Callaway wrote:
I think...

Callaway wrote:
I think...

And Ascan and I are the ones being accused of conjecture???

Callaway, you and I both know that what was said about the picture went a lot further than some people just saying that I "did not look pretty" and that they hoped I wasn't dating a friend of theirs. One of the worst remarks that was made was about how a man would have to have no respect for himself to f**k me. Now, this is one of the things that I chose to hold back in my previous post, but how do you think that comment made me feel as a former victim of sexual abuse?

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When she posted the picture of herself later on Intensity, I think that she had several positive comments about it, but I guess the negative ones affected her more.

Yes, because I have low self-esteem. Why do I have low self-esteem? Because I was severely bullied throughout my formative years. Why was I bullied? Because I have AS. My experiences are by no means unusual for the type of people posting on these boards.


Queen Omega, of course I identified my opinions with "I think" because I believe that it is more honest, but you and Ascan did not identify your opinions the same way. You disguise the Ascanian Agenda as fact, when in reality it is made entirely of your opinions and conjecture.

Case in point: the Queen Omega photo incident. I like you and I am sorry you were so badly affected by it, but I don't believe the two Intensity² members with whom you were most angry intended to hurt you. Some of the more hurtful things said about you were said by some third party, not by either of the two people whom you are blaming for it. If you have ever talked behind another person's back saying things that you would rather not say to his face, then you have done pretty much the same thing that these two people did. I question the judgement of a "friend" who would run to you telling tales. Maybe he thought he was doing a good thing or maybe he was too drunk to realize what he was doing, but he has hurt you much more by his actions than they ever could have done without him.

I was bullied quite a lot during my formative years too, but that does not make everyone who makes a harsh comment about someone else a bully.

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The problem with her arguments is that most people did not see the situation the same way she did. Not even Fluorescent himself, when he was asked by a friend about it, thought that he was being bullied. Queen Omega thought that she knew better than Fluorescent did, how he felt. Shouldn't the perspective of the supposed "bullying victim" count for more than the perspective of Queen Omega in this situation?

But I thought that the membership of Intensity had established that everything Fluorescent says is a load of delusional gibberish? Suddenly his word is gospel when it appears to support their argument?

They may have convinced someone as socially-naive as Fluorescent that the way they were treating him was acceptable, but they will have a tougher job convincing me.

The fact that Fluorescent appears to have coped quite well with the treatment he received on Intensity is irrelevant anyway; the point is that Intensity's future victims may not cope with it as well as he did. And anyone who was a member at Intensity at the time will be aware that it was a close shave, as far as Fluorescent was concerned, because he was showing signs of being deeply agitated by people's actions for quite some time.


I do believe that you normally say that bullying should be considered from the point of view of the person who is supposedly being bullied. Only in this case where the "bullying victim's" perspective does not agree with your agenda are you devaluing it, calling him socially-naive and believing that you know how he feels better than he does himself.

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She says that her boyfriend Ascan was bullied and that is why he deleted all his posts on Intensity.

WTF? I never said that or anything even remotely like it!


You said this in reference to your boyfriend, Ascan, in a topic called, ai: ascan deleted his posts on April 18, 2006. Maybe he was not your boyfriend yet when you wrote it but if not, he became your boyfriend soon after that.

Queen Omega on Intensity² wrote:
i think he had a point about the main event call-outs being intimidating. it makes us look like school bullies...


Actually, I think Eamonn was accurate in his assessment when he said in the same topic,
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Ascan should grow a pair. I agree with much of what he has to say, though not always, but if he isnt willing to take what he gives out then it's him that is the bully....That's probably why he never accepts responsibility, because it is easier to snipe from the sidelines than sit up and take action yourself.


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How could I possibly do that, if it is true love?

You're the only one who's mentioned the 'L' word - this is just another tactic to put strain on our FRIENDSHIP, isn't it? But, since our friendship is made more fragile by the fact that we both have difficulties forming and maintaining relationships, I would appreciate it if you stopped dragging it in to the discussion in an attempt to compensate for your weak argument.


As long as the two of you are attacking Intensity² as a pair of lovebirds, your RELATIONSHIP is germane to this discussion. The two of you can call it a FRIENDSHIP as many times as you like, but saying it in all capital letters does not make it any more true. FRIENDSHIPS are platonic, while the RELATIONSHIP that the two of you share is not, by Ascan's own admission on Aspie Trash.

I see that Ascan is narcissistic enough to think that I would welcome his sexual advances, but nothing could be further from the truth, so please put your mind at ease. I am happily and monogamously married and besides that, the thought of any sort of advance from Ascan makes me shudder with revulsion. I no longer have any respect for him at all. He claims that he and I have exchanged private messages on Intensity². He is either lying or he is confusing me with someone else because I have never sent him a private message nor received one from him on Intensity².

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I am glad that she has identified the source of her grudge against Intensity.

Again, Ascan and I are the ones being accused of manipulation and conjecture? :roll: There is no lack of consistency in my opinions because I have always defended the 'underdog' and the socially-disadvantaged.


That is one of the things that I love most about you, Queen Omega. You used to always defend the people you saw as the "underdogs and socially-disadvantaged" on Intensity². The problem is that other people did not always see them the same way you did and neither did the people you defended. Now you and Ascan and your little clique are trying to do other people's thinking for them. You are seeing them all as "underdogs and socially-disadvantaged" rather than as intelligent, mature adults who can think for themselves and make up their own minds about Intensity².



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17 Oct 2006, 5:01 am

Callaway wrote:
He claims that he and I have exchanged private messages on Intensity². He is either lying or he is confusing me with someone else because I have never sent him a private message nor received one from him there.


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I have stated my concerns about the organisation since the beginning, as mcjagger has acknowledged. In fact, you are fully aware of this as, I believe, I briefly touched on my opinions in a PM correspondence with you before I deleted my posts.


You initiated a brief PM correspondence with me on another site — I never said the correspondence was at Intensity². You even signed the PMs with what I assume is your real name. That occured in March, unless there's someone else who uses the name Callaway and has a similar writing style.

As for people making up their own minds, I'm sure they're capable of doing that, and will find the revelations in this thread most useful in that regard. Like I've said, if you use a method to hide your IP address when you access the site, disguise your writing style if you're well known here, and don't reveal personal information, then you've nothing to worry about! Oh, I'm sure people here aren't fooled by the sudden appearance of touch-feely type threads at your site, either... I see the PR department's at least trying!

Of course, most people really can't be bothered with all the anonymity stuff, and to be honest WP now offers most of what your site can, and a hell of a lot more besides. Over-zealous moderating by a cabal of the more socially-able seems to be a thing of the past here, though the same people who once rubbed shoulders with the self-appointed clique who chastised with those immortal words "personal attacks will not be tolerated" have taken the AS online community to a new nadir at Intensity² with the behaviour described, and indeed illustrated, in this thread.

I'll just add that I've no grievance with most individual members of your organisation, only certain of those who run it and continue to use the challenges faced by some individuals with AS for their own personal benefit.



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17 Oct 2006, 7:34 am

stupid, not well thought out argument.

once again, lies, halftruths, misrepresentations.

ascan, you are slipping old chap.




btw- i called your argument stupid. not you.
you tend to be real bright, yet sneaky.



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17 Oct 2006, 12:56 pm

how can he be slipping if he never had a good argument to begin with? 8)



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17 Oct 2006, 3:40 pm

Callaway wrote:
Queen Omega wrote:
Callaway wrote:
I think...

Callaway wrote:
I think...

Callaway wrote:
I guess...

Callaway wrote:
I don't see...

Callaway wrote:
I think...

Callaway wrote:
I think...

Callaway wrote:
I think...

And Ascan and I are the ones being accused of conjecture???

Callaway, you and I both know that what was said about the picture went a lot further than some people just saying that I "did not look pretty" and that they hoped I wasn't dating a friend of theirs. One of the worst remarks that was made was about how a man would have to have no respect for himself to f**k me. Now, this is one of the things that I chose to hold back in my previous post, but how do you think that comment made me feel as a former victim of sexual abuse?

Callaway wrote:
When she posted the picture of herself later on Intensity, I think that she had several positive comments about it, but I guess the negative ones affected her more.

Yes, because I have low self-esteem. Why do I have low self-esteem? Because I was severely bullied throughout my formative years. Why was I bullied? Because I have AS. My experiences are by no means unusual for the type of people posting on these boards.


Queen Omega, of course I identified my opinions with "I think" because I believe that it is more honest, but you and Ascan did not identify your opinions the same way. You disguise the Ascanian Agenda as fact, when in reality it is made entirely of your opinions and conjecture.

The difference between my opinions and yours is that I have substantiated mine with facts, examples, links, analogies and relevant questioning; where as, the vast majority of your opinions are no more than speculations generated by the Intensity rumour mill.

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Case in point: the Queen Omega photo incident. I like you and I am sorry you were so badly affected by it, but I don't believe the two Intensity² members with whom you were most angry intended to hurt you. Some of the more hurtful things said about you were said by some third party, not by either of the two people whom you are blaming for it. If you have ever talked behind another person's back saying things that you would rather not say to his face, then you have done pretty much the same thing that these two people did. I question the judgement of a "friend" who would run to you telling tales. Maybe he thought he was doing a good thing or maybe he was too drunk to realize what he was doing, but he has hurt you much more by his actions than they ever could have done without him.

I was bullied quite a lot during my formative years too, but that does not make everyone who makes a harsh comment about someone else a bully.

I am not claiming that everyone who makes a harsh comment about someone else is a bully; however, I am all too familiar with the way that people who do bully exploit the grey area between innocent commentary and malicious persecution to their advantage.

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Callaway wrote:
The problem with her arguments is that most people did not see the situation the same way she did. Not even Fluorescent himself, when he was asked by a friend about it, thought that he was being bullied. Queen Omega thought that she knew better than Fluorescent did, how he felt. Shouldn't the perspective of the supposed "bullying victim" count for more than the perspective of Queen Omega in this situation?

But I thought that the membership of Intensity had established that everything Fluorescent says is a load of delusional gibberish? Suddenly his word is gospel when it appears to support their argument?

They may have convinced someone as socially-naive as Fluorescent that the way they were treating him was acceptable, but they will have a tougher job convincing me.

The fact that Fluorescent appears to have coped quite well with the treatment he received on Intensity is irrelevant anyway; the point is that Intensity's future victims may not cope with it as well as he did. And anyone who was a member at Intensity at the time will be aware that it was a close shave, as far as Fluorescent was concerned, because he was showing signs of being deeply agitated by people's actions for quite some time.


I do believe that you normally say that bullying should be considered from the point of view of the person who is supposedly being bullied. Only in this case where the "bullying victim's" perspective does not agree with your agenda are you devaluing it, calling him socially-naive and believing that you know how he feels better than he does himself.

Absolutely not. A sexually-abused child may be groomed by his / her abuser to believe that the things s/he are subjected to are normal. Likewise, the domestic violence victim is often conditioned to believe that the suffering inflicted upon them is their own fault and, therefore, not a form of abuse.

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Callaway wrote:
She says that her boyfriend Ascan was bullied and that is why he deleted all his posts on Intensity.

WTF? I never said that or anything even remotely like it!


You said this in reference to your boyfriend, Ascan, in a topic called, ai: ascan deleted his posts on April 18, 2006. Maybe he was not your boyfriend yet when you wrote it but if not, he became your boyfriend soon after that.

Queen Omega on Intensity² wrote:
i think he had a point about the main event call-outs being intimidating. it makes us look like school bullies...

1. I never said that he is my boyfriend.

2. I never said that he was bullied.

3. I never said why I thought he deleted his posts.

Callaway wrote:
Queen Omega wrote:
Callaway wrote:
How could I possibly do that, if it is true love?

You're the only one who's mentioned the 'L' word - this is just another tactic to put strain on our FRIENDSHIP, isn't it? But, since our friendship is made more fragile by the fact that we both have difficulties forming and maintaining relationships, I would appreciate it if you stopped dragging it in to the discussion in an attempt to compensate for your weak argument.


As long as the two of you are attacking Intensity² as a pair of lovebirds, your RELATIONSHIP is germane to this discussion. The two of you can call it a FRIENDSHIP as many times as you like, but saying it in all capital letters does not make it any more true. FRIENDSHIPS are platonic, while the RELATIONSHIP that the two of you share is not, by Ascan's own admission on Aspie Trash.

As Ascan has ALREADY explained to you in this thread, he wasn't being serious when he wrote that.

It's interesting that you think that my friendship (or whatever you want to call it - I give up) with Ascan is relevant to this discussion. Does that mean that Duncvis and PurposefulInsanity's arguments are less valid when they defend Intensity?

The reason why I used capital letters to type the word 'friendship' was to draw your attention to it, since you seem to have missed it the several other times I have corrected people about my association with Ascan - not an attempt to make it any more "true" (by the way, they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so I'll take that remark as a compliment!).

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I see that Ascan is narcissistic enough to think that I would welcome his sexual advances, but nothing could be further from the truth, so please put your mind at ease. I am happily and monogamously married and besides that, the thought of any sort of advance from Ascan makes me shudder with revulsion.

Aww, that's a shame; I was about to ask you if you wanted a threesome!

Yes, I'm being ironic - just as Ascan was when he suggested that you were secretly lusting after him.

Callaway wrote:
Queen Omega wrote:
Callaway wrote:
I am glad that she has identified the source of her grudge against Intensity.

Again, Ascan and I are the ones being accused of manipulation and conjecture? :roll: There is no lack of consistency in my opinions because I have always defended the 'underdog' and the socially-disadvantaged.


That is one of the things that I love most about you, Queen Omega. You used to always defend the people you saw as the "underdogs and socially-disadvantaged" on Intensity². The problem is that other people did not always see them the same way you did and neither did the people you defended. Now you and Ascan and your little clique are trying to do other people's thinking for them. You are seeing them all as "underdogs and socially-disadvantaged" rather than as intelligent, mature adults who can think for themselves and make up their own minds about Intensity².

Well, yes, people with ASDs are socially-disadvantaged (assuming they have been diagnosed correctly) and their difficulties make them predisposed to various negative experiences; hence the reason why it's a bad idea to recruit directly from AS support sites for a place like Intensity - it's like tightrope walking without crash-mats for dyspraxics (except that people at Intensity will deliberately try to make them lose their balance).

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i cannot allow you to kill this thread, anti header.

LOL, I didn't know what "header" meant until I looked it up: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=header


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17 Oct 2006, 4:10 pm

Its my sweetie!! !! ! :heart: :heart: :heart:


Can I just say as one of the "underdog and socially-disadvantaged" that AntiHeather's comments are 100% accurate.

You may have banned me from Intensity, but you haven't silenced me. As we speak, a campaign is being organised to shut both Intensity and The Wronged down, and to expose Duncvis throughout the entire autistic community as a bully and a fraudster.



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17 Oct 2006, 4:49 pm

You do know that your sweetie and her boyfriend have been using you, RobertN? That they are using you still?