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10 Jul 2014, 1:31 pm

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Just another case of the state bureaucracy gone nuts. Here in australia we had a case where a guy was put on a bond for fondling his girlfriends breast through her jumper. He was nearly 20 she was knocking on 17, the girls mother saw it and reported it to the police. It went to court and the guy admitted to it. The Judge stated that if he had not admitted to it he would have dismissed the case but under the circumstances he had no choice but to record a conviction. The judge said something like "don't worry this wont affect you" 12 years later in the midst of paedophile hysteria the State government made a cross media announcement that they had rechecked all their teachers and they had found a hiding pedophile and sacked him. Guess who was now a very respected teacher at a small primary school, the community went nuts in defence of the guy but the government sacked him and put him on the sexual offenders list.


It is completely ridiculous. These laws are intended to protect children, not persecute them. The girl was nearly 17 and her boyfriend groped her through her jumper; big deal. :roll: My wife was married to her first husband and expecting their first child when she was 16 - and this was all perfectly legal in the UK. It makes a farce of the whole thing. That poor guy. :(


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10 Jul 2014, 2:57 pm

No matter what the laws were meant for when they were made, these incidents prove they are very useful for ruining the minors? lives when someone in a position of power wishes so.


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10 Jul 2014, 3:10 pm

It smacks of zero tolerance which I have just about zero respect for. :x


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10 Jul 2014, 10:27 pm

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If this goes through, I hope the cop who's idea this was gets brought up on sexual exploitation of a minor as well as production of child pornography.


Yeah, doesn't the very request itself count as solicitation?



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10 Jul 2014, 11:09 pm

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Why is it a crime for someone to take pictures of themselves naked and send it to their SO, but legal for police to take the same naked pictures as proof of the act in the first place?

Why is it ok to charge a minor as an adult in a crime that, by definition, is only a crime at all because of the fact that he is a minor?


Police can make a suspect do things to comply with a "police lineup." Obviously a limp penis can't be compared to the image/video of an erect penis.

The problem here is that the means to get what they need is invasive, and clearly, a court order may be needed before they could legally be protected in doing so.

I find it odd that this involved two minors. I could see the push to do this to an adult sexting with a minor, but between two minors....



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11 Jul 2014, 1:41 am

Spiderpig wrote:
No matter what the laws were meant for when they were made, these incidents prove they are very useful for ruining the minors? lives when someone in a position of power wishes so.


This is why my automatic answer is 'no' when someone starts muttering about 'there ought to be a law...', since people never seem to stop and think about the unintended consequences and how the law may be abused in the future, either by the malicious or the moronic.


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11 Jul 2014, 1:57 am

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No matter what the laws were meant for when they were made, these incidents prove they are very useful for ruining the minors? lives when someone in a position of power wishes so.

There ought to be a law to stop that.



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11 Jul 2014, 12:09 pm

I don't know why many people want to disrupt the police by handcuffing them by denying them use of evidence.

This is the most modern and advanced and LATEST form of personal (male) identification (although the idea was
"floated" to find criminals as far back as 1982 in the movie "Porkey's", using the "Ballbricker" or "personal
examination" method.

Apple may be thinking of "expanding" their Ipad security to recognize individual (male) sexual characteristics.

Many in law enforcement believe this will soon replace fingerprinting (for males) because of the ease of
finding a "match." The only thing they need is a large enough data base, which they are accumulating.

Research continues to design a system better suited for female characteristics.



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11 Jul 2014, 12:35 pm

ZenDen wrote:
I don't know why many people want to disrupt the police by handcuffing them by denying them use of evidence.

This is the most modern and advanced and LATEST form of personal (male) identification (although the idea was
"floated" to find criminals as far back as 1982 in the movie "Porkey's", using the "Ballbricker" or "personal
examination" method.

Apple may be thinking of "expanding" their Ipad security to recognize individual (male) sexual characteristics.

Many in law enforcement believe this will soon replace fingerprinting (for males) because of the ease of
finding a "match." The only thing they need is a large enough data base, which they are accumulating.

Research continues to design a system better suited for female characteristics.


lol what



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11 Aug 2015, 3:33 pm

It's really funny the kind of nanny state we live in these days. Up until the mid to late 1800's, Any girl not married by 15-16 was considered an old maid and any boy over the age of 12 was considered a man and had to get married and hold a job to be considered a success.



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11 Aug 2015, 3:41 pm

What the hell...they're both under 18, this is bull I mean is it really worth ruining their lives over? I guess according to our system, certainly.


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11 Aug 2015, 3:43 pm

Eric2971 wrote:
It's really funny the kind of nanny state we live in these days. Up until the mid to late 1800's, Any girl not married by 15-16 was considered an old maid and any boy over the age of 12 was considered a man and had to get married and hold a job to be considered a success.


Somehow I don't think 12 was nessisarily the typical age for males to get married even pre 1800s, you'd have to post some evidence of that. Of course marrige did take place younger and by your adolecence/teens you where seen as getting close to adulthood instead of still being treated as a child and would have more 'adult' responsibilities.


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11 Aug 2015, 3:46 pm

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DentArthurDent wrote:
Just another case of the state bureaucracy gone nuts. Here in australia we had a case where a guy was put on a bond for fondling his girlfriends breast through her jumper. He was nearly 20 she was knocking on 17, the girls mother saw it and reported it to the police. It went to court and the guy admitted to it. The Judge stated that if he had not admitted to it he would have dismissed the case but under the circumstances he had no choice but to record a conviction. The judge said something like "don't worry this wont affect you" 12 years later in the midst of paedophile hysteria the State government made a cross media announcement that they had rechecked all their teachers and they had found a hiding pedophile and sacked him. Guess who was now a very respected teacher at a small primary school, the community went nuts in defence of the guy but the government sacked him and put him on the sexual offenders list.


It is completely ridiculous. These laws are intended to protect children, not persecute them. The girl was nearly 17 and her boyfriend groped her through her jumper; big deal. :roll: My wife was married to her first husband and expecting their first child when she was 16 - and this was all perfectly legal in the UK. It makes a farce of the whole thing. That poor guy. :(


It is, very ridiculous.


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11 Aug 2015, 4:32 pm

Why resurrect a year-old thread on a topic that has already been resolved?

According to the update at the end of the original article ...

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After public outcry, police say they will no longer pursue the course of forcible erection for the teen, and will let a warrant for the photos instead expire.


Done, and done.

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11 Aug 2015, 4:43 pm

This it is quite surprising, and scary they would even pursue this. Surely a judge would tell them this is not legal. Or if it is legal, they have messed up their state laws and possibly in violation of federal laws.

I think policing should be done on Peelian principles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_Principles

There is too much of a wild west approach to policing.

btw if WP has (sphinx) search index suggestions whilst browsing, it is quite likely it is encouraging people to necro posts.

So if you don't want people to necro, they need to change the queries to put more current stuff. However I don't see the issue with necroing something like this, it is not gratuitous, and perhaps they simply click on the results that came up when the browse thinking it is current.

Sphinx/elastic search indexing has its uses, but best left to the professionals to refine, if using beyond normal search function.