Boomer-Os Killed The Summer Job Star

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kraftiekortie
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08 Mar 2020, 6:34 am

What kind of “shelter” is one bed in someone else’s one-bedroom apartment ?

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08 Mar 2020, 6:34 am

Personally my view is that everyone should have enough to live off, whether that is through their wages or otherwise. I think I’d prefer no minimum wage but a substantial basic income as this would shift the power balance towards employees. Work will become something a bit closer to a leisure activity which people do to earn bonus money and get a sense of routine and purpose in life.

Life’s essentials:
- Food
- Shelter (including heat, electricity and water bills at a minimum)
- Clothes and shoes
- Laundry
- Travel to and from your place of work
- A basic leisure activity, such as a TV, exercise (memberships or equipment), or an internet connection. Even walking is not free.
- Medication
- Unexpected expenses (a burst pipe, an oven breaking down...)

Some of those could be covered by charities, or government programmes. But these are things that people need to live.

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08 Mar 2020, 4:29 pm

Car newspaper deliveries started in the 90's I think. My neighborhood had a paperboy and one of our neighbor's son's would get up early and deliver papers to each house in the neighborhood. Then around 4th grade, an adult was doing it and they would tossed them on driveways out their car window and sometimes they would even have their kid with them tossing out the papers too.

As for less teen workers, high schools are giving out more and more homework now so teens don't have time for a part time job. They have to go home, study and do homework and go to bed. Some even drop out of cheer leading or the marching band or sports because they do not have time. Even when my mom had a job as a teen, my mom couldn't keep up with her homework and the advice she got from her teacher was "quit" referring to her job. Listen, you are a child and your job right now is to study and focus on school, not adult. I agree with that teacher my mom had. Just because the law allows you to have a job doesn't mean you should. Your parents should be supporting you and buying your things you need like food and toiletries and clothing and shoes and other needs.

Every time I see a teen online complaining about how they have no time to do homework or how they have to stay up till midnight to do their homework because they don't get home till 9pm after their job, I think "so quit your job so you have time to study and doing your homework and so you get more sleep."

And no I do not believe in underage teens working jobs. Their job is to study, go to school, have fun as a kid until they are 18 and out of high school. That was my life. I was forbidden to have a job but summer job was fine but no working a job during the school year. The rule was be a kid, not be an adult before you are 18.

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08 Mar 2020, 4:34 pm

imgilbertthefilberttheknutwithak wrote:

A question. How does " our society wink st violent pedophilia nowadays "? It seems to me that, with the often-commented upon " helicopter parenting/over-protection " tendency (among parents of a certain income/status level, anyway), and the ever-extension of younger people being " protected " regarding age of majority for sexual relations and booze/cigarettes, that - SUPPOSED - protection of the " underage " keeps expanding

Helicopter parenting now seems to mean being an actual parent, not neglecting your kids and ignoring them and you have no idea what they are up to and what they are getting into. That is how you end up with an out of control child because they don't know where the lines are drawn and what the limits are and having no idea that your kid is being a bully or a meanie and your kid has learned to lie to you and be an angel around you because you had taught them they can get away with anything just as long as they lie about it. Checking up on your kids is not helicopter parenting, being able to hear them play in their rooms or outside and glancing out the window at them is not helicopter parenting. Looking at what game they are playing or what they are watching online is not helicopter parenting. You are not hovering over them 24/7.

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08 Mar 2020, 4:39 pm

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Mikah wrote:

Boomer-Os Killed The Summer Job Star

Nope. It was the “Social-Justice Warriors” and their Socialist agenda.

There is a new law that says employers must pay a minimum wage of $15.00 per hour, so as to provide unskilled workers with a “livable wage”. Since this law was put into effect, I’ve noticed fewer and fewer teens working in the fast-food industry, and more and more middle-aged adults taking their places.

Prices at restaurants (and some other retailers) have increased in my area — even Souplantation (know for its salad-bar offering) has increased it’s prices by 25% in my area.

If I am expected to keep busy at all times even if there is no work to be done and I am to sweep the floors over and over even if they are swept and keep wiping down stuff even though they haven't been used since I last wiped them, etc. I better be paid more than minimum wage or I do the bare minimum. All this takes stamina because I need actual work, not this stuff or else it's like watching the paint try. Sweeping the floors that are dirty is actual work, wiping down things that are filthy because they were used is actual work. I don't vacuum my carpet when it's clean. I don't do the dishes when they are all clean and put away and no one has used them yet. It's BS that the boss would expect you to keep busy and find work when there is no work.

I think lot of jobs are underpaid. If someone is expect to do boring work to keep busy, they should be paid more because of how hard work that is. No one pays nurses minimum wage or surgeons or lawyers or librarians.

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08 Mar 2020, 4:52 pm

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I maintain that if you work 40 (or more) hours a week, no matter the job, you should at least be able to afford shelter and food without the fear that even a slight interruption in your income will send you spiraling into debt and homelessness.

And fast food and retail jobs are not just for teenagers. If they were, the stores would not be able to be open during the hours students were in school, so, yes, these positions were intended to have adults fill them. When I worked at Wal-Mart, you had to be 18+ to work the night shift.

Shelter and food is easily affordable at minimum wage for a single person. 160 hours per month at federal minimum wage 7.25 an hour is $1,160 per month. A quick search for "cost of food per month for 1" reveals $250 per month for food. That leaves $910 a month for shelter. Even in San Francisco where cost of housing is insane, I went to apartments.com and sorted rent low to high. I found 1 bed available for $770/month in a 1 bedroom apartment.

Thus affording food and shelter costs me $1020/month against a monthly income of $1160 per month. Living a spartan lifestyle I can save $140/month. After a year I will have $1680 saved which will cover two months of rent if I am without work.

Now, almost no one spends on just shelter and food, but I have purposely chosen the most expensive city in the country as my rent standard. I have also not included any government programs such as medical for health care or other poverty standards. I have also used the federal minimum wage which is the lowest possible minimum wage in the country.

You are forgetting the cost of rent and utilities in that area. Landlords don't care about minimum wage, they only care about profit and will jack up the rent and charge more and a minimum wage job there won't pay the rent. Even housing prices don't care about minimum wage too.

Businesses in Portland, OR have a hard time hiring new workers because houses here are too expensive and they simply cannot afford to live in Portland so they turn down the job. People have to turn down job offers that are offering them more in wages and benefits because of the housing prices here.

And don't forget that your paychecks get cut for income taxes. You make $2,500 a month, you are actually bringing home less because of taxes. Plus don't forget sales tax so you are spending more on food because of taxes.

Also you have to consider location like can the persons till get to work while living in that cheap apartment, can they afford gas of getting there and back everyday. Filling your car also adds to your bill so you have to put cost of gas into consideration and don't forget cost of public transportation. It's $100 here for an adult bus pass. It was $65 when I moved here. Youth and honored citizen ones are cheaper and cost less than $30. Then add the time for how long it would take for to commute to work.

And you are probably thinking "so get a job close to where you live" but you can't always find work near your apartment. Lots of people live ways away from their jobs so they drive to work or commute 3 hrs.

Also don't forget some people have families so it's not like a family can live in a studio that is in their rent range.

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08 Mar 2020, 4:54 pm

The_Walrus wrote:

How is walking not free? Do people charge you to walk outside on the sidewalks?

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08 Mar 2020, 5:14 pm

League_Girl wrote:

There are two legitimate reasons to have a job as a teenager during the school year.
1. The family needs money.
2. The teen knows what he, she, or non binary wants to do for a career. An internship or apprenticeship is ok for that field.

A non legitimate reason is just to buy stuff especially because other kids have that same stuff. No matter how much stuff one has other people are going to have a better or more prestigious version of the same stuff and more stuff. And some of these people are going to look down on you and s**t on you for it. That is a lesson that teenagers need to learn and handle(this includes sex for you incels)

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09 Mar 2020, 8:03 am

I think it’s good for a teen to have a part-time job. It teaches them the value of work, and provides them with pocket money.

I absolutely ached to find a job as a teen. My $10 a week allowance just wasn’t enough.

I felt good at my brief stint as a delivery boy at age 15.

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09 Mar 2020, 3:48 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

What kind of “shelter” is one bed in someone else’s one-bedroom apartment ?

Well it provides the following benefits:

Bed
Roof and 3 walls
Lockable door
Bathroom facilities
Small kitchen
Address for mail

Also it's not someone else's apartment, it's your apartment that you share with other people renting beds.

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It's amusing that you think the cost of "shelter" is just a matter of paying rent.

You're either being pedantic about my not including utility costs, or have a different definition of shelter than a place to live. I didn't include utilities because sometimes rent includes utilities and sometimes it doesn't. When I lived in the midwest I rented an apartment for $830 a month including heat, water, parking, laundry, but not electricity. My electricity bill was ~$30/month.

BTW I used San Francisco where cost of living is very high while comparing to the federal minimum wage. California minimum wage is $12/hour which adds $800 a month to make the minimum $1900 per month if you were actually working full time minimum wage in San Francisco. If I instead pick a city like St. Louis Missouri I find a house for rent for $399/month.

So stop grasping at straws. Minimum wage easily covers food on the table and a place to live for one person. Other necessities: clothing, toothpaste etc. will also be affordable.

What minimum wage will not do:

1) guarantee choice of neighborhood/living arrangements
2) cover the cost of healthcare (of course anyone making minimum wage qualifies for medicaid)
3) allow you to raise a family of four (it supports 1 person)

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09 Mar 2020, 4:09 pm

She was also a Baby Boomer.

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10 Mar 2020, 7:49 am

I wonder who that is aimed at.

My grandmothers were born before the war, drove economy cars if they drove at all, and hated pop music. There were lots of good things about them but that doesn’t describe them at all.

If the woman in the picture was born in 1945, had her first child aged 30 (1975) and her first grandchild aged 60 (2005) then that grandchild would be 15 now.

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10 Mar 2020, 8:03 am

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I wonder who that is aimed at...

At whomever the shoe fits.

I have the impression that for some people, 'boomers' are an amorphous dark mass that sucks life out of the economy and craps all over everything else. I posted that image to remind people that (1) us 'boomers' are only people, (2) we were once 'cool', and (3) many of WP's members are of an age that implies the possibility that at least one of their ancestors (i.e., 'boomers', et cetera) was/is way 'cooler' than they could ever hope to be.

For instance, my own late mother (a great-grandma when she died) was once a local fashion model, a journalist, a drummer in a local dance band, and a licensed pilot (single-engine, VFR only). At her memorial service, I saw pictures of her when she was in her 20s, and she had a similar appearance, expression, and bearing as the woman in the image I posted.

Sure, people can blame us 'boomers' all they want, but (1) blame solves nothing, (2) we inherited a damaged world from the previous generation, (3) we blamed them for the way the world was when we got it, and (4) look how much good blaming them did for us.

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10 Mar 2020, 11:51 am

Hmm; My Wife's Sister is A Great Grandmother and that
Makes My Wife a Great Great Aunt 3 Times Over Now too; Trust
me or not; i will prove it, if necessary, she's a lot (Cooler) Hotter Still
than that Woman in 'that Photo' at Just about 50;
It's Also Worth
Noting that
Now, not every
one Waits to have
A Child until they are 30, or at all, hehe;
Yes, Also Worth noting at least to me that some Folks,
Now, at Least, Retain all Their Youth and more at 60;
Doing More Empirically Measurable than 'they' ever did
Before; And Yes, of Course, Flesh and Blood Does not lie;
for i will prove that too at the speed of Photography too;
Imagine What People 'Could Do' Without Fear; With No Contingency
Of Money in Fulfilling So Much More of Human Potential; without the
Distractions of Money and Fear; and Yes, Material Gains and Illusions
of External Power and Status Gains as well; for me at least, i do not have to Imagine this.
And on top of
that; i irrefutably
Document what is
Possible in Human Potential;
Some Generations are without Label;
'Golden Generations Eternally now';
Just a Metaphor but with enough
Evidence to Surely warrant that Potential Fulfilled now.
Sooner or later
Humans Will Get
SmART Enough to
Find a Better Way of
Life than External Goods of Fear;
i'm surely not going to Hold my Breath and Wait.
Imagine No Summer Jobs for Pay at all; It's coming
in 'A Golden Generation' Far away from 'this one' at least, now..

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10 Mar 2020, 1:10 pm

Antrax wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

What kind of “shelter” is one bed in someone else’s one-bedroom apartment ?

X-filesGeek wrote:

It's amusing that you think the cost of "shelter" is just a matter of paying rent.

I'm not the one grasping at straws.

If you really have no idea what other expenses could possibly be involved in the cost of "shelter" other than just base rent, then I'm not in the business of being a life coach and teaching people about the necessities of survival in the modern world.

But, at this point, I'm getting the impression that you're just looking to pick a fight, and I'm afraid I'm not in the mood.

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10 Mar 2020, 1:27 pm

Fnord wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

I wonder who that is aimed at...

My grandmother bought me my first video game system, so, no, I will never be as cool as she was.

And, for the record, I wish this whole "Boomer v. Millennial" thing would die already.

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