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lotusblossom
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30 Oct 2010, 2:36 am

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I also have sensitivities that interfere with medical procedures.

Because our bodies are wired differently, (and it sounds like you are alot like me - I hear in high pitch ranges and have nerves where they don't expect to find them) - this means that the doctors CAN NOT INFORM YOU OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN nor can they alter the procedure to accomodate your differences. Yes if you have nerves where most women don't you may feel those clips forever and chances are nobody will believe you (this has been my experience when reporting sensory differences)

This procedure was designed for an NT just like most NT's don't feel their IUD most NT's never wonder if they have nerves in unexpected places and they can trust the advice of their doctors.

WE CAN'T

because the procedures were not designed for our bodies, after you will just have to live with what ever experamental result you get. Maybe you'll be feeling it forever, maybe it'll work like a charm but because you're different you can't know what you will be getting into.

There is a reversable vasectomy procedure that guys can have done - if he decides he wants children he can have the clips removed and he's back up and running. If he has sensory problems also and doesn't like it he can have them taken out - why can't he get some contraception? It shouldn't be your responsibility alone.

Also I would ask your doughter if she would preffer you had not had her - may make her think about weather being a "good mother" is what she thought it was. Would you have made a better choice if she had never been born?

your right I cant know untill its done whether it will hurt, I will have to decide if I want to take that chance or not :(

My bf would not be given a reversable vasectomy as he is too young, Im in my 30s so doctors are ok with it for me but he is only in his 20s. I dont think I would want to risk the reversableness not working for him as that could ruin his life. I tried googleing it but I can only find the regular permanent vasectomy, and they said they definately dont give it to people under 30 or people who want children so he could not have that.



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30 Oct 2010, 7:52 am

Just wanted to make the whole daughter judgment thing clear... Sure, she can have her emotions for whatever reason, but it still doesn't give her the right to decide for you (as an adult woman) what to do and what not to do. In fact, no one should do that, b/c that's a decision a woman can only do on her own. For example, a woman who know she doesn't want and never will want kids. She is certain about her choice, but guess what happens when she'd tell friends and family. It's pretty likely that they would rather not want her to do that for several reasons. The other way round, what if a disabled woman decides to have kids? Most people would also be quite skeptical, assuming raising kids would be impossible in her situation. See where I'm going?


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30 Oct 2010, 10:45 am

My aunt had it and had a baby anyway. I haven't had it but i haven't ever been pregnant that I know of.



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30 Oct 2010, 11:03 am

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However Im not sure that I should have more children even if I want to as Ive had a lot of social worker inviolvement and dont feel likea good mother, my 12 year old said I should not have more children as I was not a good mother. I think I should probably make an ethical choice to not have children rather than an emotional choice to have more.


(((hugs)))

raising kids is HARD. i know, because i have troubles too. it's never ever too late to try to improve things with the daughter you already have. i won't stop trying either (my girl is 16)..

anyways, i understand you wanting to do this, but i wonder if you aredoing it partly because you are suspicious of your boyfriend's intentions? maybe i am reading too much into this, but it seems like you are worried that there will be an 'accident', almost like the choice of of having more kids will be decided by him, without you having very much control. i wonder if this is your way of being certain, when he makes you feel uncertain?

i think i maybe understand you wanting to do the operation. you can always adopt, anyways.

Why are people so negative about my bf? I did not think what i wrote was negative?

In reality he is much more controlled and sensible than me and its more likely that it shall be I who is overwhelmed by horniness and seduces him in to unprotected sex. I think it is just likely that if someone has not very good contraception choice which is leading them to have sex much less often than they would like, then soooner or later they will either have a burst or split condom or think 'sod it' and not use one. The pregnancy rates for condoms are not very good 2-15 % which is only slightly less than with drawl 8-17%
http://2womenshealth.com/13-Contracepti ... -Index.htm
so I think quite likely that one should get pregnent when useing them. In a book I read it said even people with HIV tend to only use condoms 1/3 of the time. So I think its not a viable solution for 25 years of reproductive life I have left.

yeah it totally came across like he was pressuring you, not the other way around. no more hugs for you! jk jk, but really getting sterilised is an extreme solution. why doesn't he get sterilised, in the way that is reversible for men? compared to female operations, it is less invasive, has fewer risks, and it doesn't have to be permanent.

age should not preclude him - most doctors will do it at the age of consent - 18 in most countries, and if his doctor won't then maybe he should shop around for a new practitioner.


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30 Oct 2010, 5:11 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
lotusblossom wrote:
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However Im not sure that I should have more children even if I want to as Ive had a lot of social worker inviolvement and dont feel likea good mother, my 12 year old said I should not have more children as I was not a good mother. I think I should probably make an ethical choice to not have children rather than an emotional choice to have more.


(((hugs)))

raising kids is HARD. i know, because i have troubles too. it's never ever too late to try to improve things with the daughter you already have. i won't stop trying either (my girl is 16)..

anyways, i understand you wanting to do this, but i wonder if you aredoing it partly because you are suspicious of your boyfriend's intentions? maybe i am reading too much into this, but it seems like you are worried that there will be an 'accident', almost like the choice of of having more kids will be decided by him, without you having very much control. i wonder if this is your way of being certain, when he makes you feel uncertain?

i think i maybe understand you wanting to do the operation. you can always adopt, anyways.

Why are people so negative about my bf? I did not think what i wrote was negative?

In reality he is much more controlled and sensible than me and its more likely that it shall be I who is overwhelmed by horniness and seduces him in to unprotected sex. I think it is just likely that if someone has not very good contraception choice which is leading them to have sex much less often than they would like, then soooner or later they will either have a burst or split condom or think 'sod it' and not use one. The pregnancy rates for condoms are not very good 2-15 % which is only slightly less than with drawl 8-17%
http://2womenshealth.com/13-Contracepti ... -Index.htm
so I think quite likely that one should get pregnent when useing them. In a book I read it said even people with HIV tend to only use condoms 1/3 of the time. So I think its not a viable solution for 25 years of reproductive life I have left.

yeah it totally came across like he was pressuring you, not the other way around. no more hugs for you! jk jk, but really getting sterilised is an extreme solution. why doesn't he get sterilised, in the way that is reversible for men? compared to female operations, it is less invasive, has fewer risks, and it doesn't have to be permanent.

age should not preclude him - most doctors will do it at the age of consent - 18 in most countries, and if his doctor won't then maybe he should shop around for a new practitioner.

on the NHS website they say hospitals in the UK will not do it for men under 30 and for men who do want children. He really wants children at some point.

I think its only fair if its me who doesnt want more children and me who wants a sterilisation then it should be me who has one not him.



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31 Oct 2010, 12:37 pm

I had my tube tied (only have one...long story). Anyway, I was adamant about having it done being that I was in an abusive realtionship. My ob/gyn understood that I wanted no more children. He made sure that he did a good job severing my tube & then cauterizing it. I didn't have any bad side effects from anesthesia.. It was done with an epidural. Had little discomfort from the incision, nor from the gas. Also there are few side effects afterwards, unlike the pill or an IUD.

Good luck with your decision!


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01 Nov 2010, 7:17 am

tomboy4good wrote:
I had my tube tied (only have one...long story). Anyway, I was adamant about having it done being that I was in an abusive realtionship. My ob/gyn understood that I wanted no more children. He made sure that he did a good job severing my tube & then cauterizing it. I didn't have any bad side effects from anesthesia.. It was done with an epidural. Had little discomfort from the incision, nor from the gas. Also there are few side effects afterwards, unlike the pill or an IUD.

Good luck with your decision!


thank you so much for telling me your experience tomboy4good, thats very helpful :sunny:

Im pretty set on doing it, unless I find out some bad 'side effects'. I have untill the actual operation to change my mind and shall continue to ruminate on it untill then.

thanks everyone for your input :D



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01 Nov 2010, 10:23 am

I had it done and I feel like it was the best decision I made! I have 2 kids and I knew that was my limit. And it was a very fast and easy recovery too! You are just sore for a day or so but it was so worth it to me!

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01 Nov 2010, 3:27 pm

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I had it done and I feel like it was the best decision I made! I have 2 kids and I knew that was my limit. And it was a very fast and easy recovery too! You are just sore for a day or so but it was so worth it to me!

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thank you Lioness, thats very reasureing :sunny:

I think it will be a releif to not have to ever worry about having babies again and even if I get a broody phaze it will be a releif that there is no decision to be made or worry as the decision will have been made already.



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01 Nov 2010, 4:45 pm

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thank you Lioness, thats very reasureing :sunny:

I think it will be a releif to not have to ever worry about having babies again and even if I get a broody phaze it will be a releif that there is no decision to be made or worry as the decision will have been made already.


You are welcome! I recommend it to anyone who is 100% certain they do not want kids. Because once your tubes are tied, that is it. Of course there is the reversal option but it is firstly very expensive, and secondly it does not necessarily work. I have heard of many cases of woman who had reversals having ectopic pregnancies. But it`s fine, I definitely am glad I had this procedure. My kids are getting older and I like it that way :)

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01 Nov 2010, 5:31 pm

I made the choice to become sterile a long, long time ago. I haven't actually be sterilized yet but I just don't have the heart to have kids.


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14 Nov 2010, 5:49 am

*update*
I went to the pre op appointment and they were an hour and half late and very bumbling. They said I would have to have a general anasthetic as it was risky that they would cut my bowel and would need to sew it up and they had a high rate of infection in that hospital and that they would do the surgery (not another dr).

So I decided that condoms were not so bad.

My social worker was very upset about the idea of me being sterilised and said I should try the pill again. This was very booosting as I thoughht she would want me to be sterilised and would not want me to have a baby, but she thinks I should have more so thats complimentory.

Im single now so contraception is not a problem but if I ever get a relationship again I shall try condoms and the pill. My mum suggested getting a IUD fitted privately as they might do it better with less risk of infection (as infections normally gained on insertion of coil rather than later).



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17 Nov 2010, 9:03 pm

Lotus Blossom,

I have never heard of a sterilization technique where they cut through the bowel. That just doesn't sound right. In fact, I doubt I would want that location to treat me for a hang nail!

In my case, they made a tiny incision where my belly button is, & added some gas so the doctor could clearly see the tube. I have one tiny scar where the incision was made. It was fairly easy, there was little discomfort, & I healed quickly. I guess the only down side, is that supposedly when you have it done you go into menopause a lot sooner. I'm not totally convinced of that though.

Good luck!


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20 Nov 2010, 9:01 pm

I had myself sterilized two years ago with the new Essure procedure. I don't know what operation you're getting but if you haven't heard of Essure I recommend checking it out. Most doctors haven't heard of it because it's pretty new. There is no cutting, and no anasthesia. It's almost like getting an IUD except it's permanent and unlike a tubal ligation the risk of pregnancy is only theoretical.
It wasn't very painful and the recovery was short.
I am so happy to have had it done! I'm so glad that I was finally able to admit to myself that I don't ever want children and I'm okay with it. I feel like there's always this expectation from other women that I be open to the possibility if the right man changing my mind.
I am also very lucky that I found a gyno who takes me seriously and was willing to do it for a 27 year old.



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22 Nov 2010, 12:30 am

You've mentioned the IUD, the pill, and condoms...but no other kind of contraceptive! You could try the following:

1. the female condom
2. a cervical cap and spermicide
3. a different form of the pill -- some women have a bad reaction to one kind, but can handle a different dosage, or more or less progesterone just fine
4. Depo-Provera
5. a contraceptive sponge and spermicide
6. a non-latex condom; some men report feeling greater sensation with polyurethane or lambskin condoms
7. a diaphragm and spermicide
8.SERM (selective estrogen reception modulator) -- basically, you ovulate while your uterine lining is too thin to support a zygote, and your lining only thickens when you are not ovulating

That's just off the top of my head. A gynecologist may have more ideas. Not all of these are as reliable as the pill, which is why I mention spermicide. Lambskin condoms aren't as reliable as polyurethne or latex, so use a spermicide with those if you try them. I worry that since you felt the IUD, you'd feel the clips from sterilization, too -- and there would be nothing you could do about it! Also, you said something about wishing your coil had lasted longer. I'm not sure what that is, but if it worked so well, why can't you get another?

I think sterilization is a last resort -- however, have you shared your reservations about having another child with your boyfriend? Does he know you do not WANT another child? This may not seem like a big deal now. He may think you'll change your mind; you may be hoping he'll change his. It's not likely. However, if he really wants a child and you really don't, you have a huge stumbling block to a harmonious long-term (5-10year) relationship. You need to talk about this with him!