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From a military point of view. The missile are all but useless. They do not have a large enough warhead and are not precise enough to hit targets. That means only
a large scale missile attack will get the job done. A large scale assembly of the
missile want go unnoticed by the IDF. Some of the bombings they have done are certainily to stop large scale missile attacks. They even have a general warning to
the Lebanese not to use trucks. What the missile are good at is randomily killing
a few non-military people. That then just gives the Isrealies more cause to try to
stop the attacks.

>>From a military point of view. The missile are all but useless. They do not have a large enough warhead and are not precise enough to hit targets. That means only a large scale missile attack will get the job done.<<

If this was traditional warfare, I'd agree with you. But the goal of the terrorists is not to hit targets but to blindly shoot them far into Israel... it's called "terror"ism for a reason. This is why I am so worried- this is exactly the place the terrorist want to be (just outside Israel) and they have all the missiles they need to keep shooting ten or twenty a day at Israel for years to come. If the terrorists go somewhere else, it'll be further away from Israel and Israel has been the target since 1948- they ain't moving!

Personally, I am all for Israel wiping them off the face of the Earth. However, one cannot help but ask: If the Israeli army, which is the strongest and most advanced army in the Middle East, cannot stop a handful of terrorists in Lebanon, then how did they expect the government of Lebanon to, then invade for them failing to?

>>Really America is worth far more then X trillions of dollars. There is no price tag, yet special interest catering politicians who sell out on freedoms would make that an incorrect statement.<<

Uh, McFly... there is a price tag: four trillion dollars and counting. I assume you don't know much about global economics? The more we go into debt, the more we owe this debt to other countries. The more we owe other countries, the less they will trade with us and the more whatever we do trade for will cost us.

The longer it takes for us to pay back these other countries, the more interest there will be. And eventually, these other countries will stop sending us stuff altogether and who can blame them? If someone owed you 475 billion dollars and wanted another 125, would you give it to them? This is the situation we're in.

Let me put it to you this way: all these bombs and tanks and planes we have in Iraq- do they cost money? At some point, doesn't the USA have to cut a check to someone somewhere for them? Considering we're already 75% broke, how will we be able to keep a war that's costing us 2.4 billion dollars a day going? Or you're saying that money is just "numbers on paper"??

No I am not speaking about dept but rather terrorist winning, the goal is to destroy America. If the government ever needed more funding they could like they have in the past do a war-time tax. Still terrorist winning as if they already have is just not true.

For national security reasons the Middle East is important economically because of the oil. That regions stability is important, yet in the event it should become so instable. I am sure it would be easy to capture the oil fields and use the funding from the oil to distribute humanitarian supplies regularly such as food to those in need instead of the fat cats.

A bit drastic, but I don't drive nor care to really. Still food for us comes form trucks ect... Obviously a national security issue and that is some economics.

Iraq was a stupid mistake by an ignorant man with cowboy mochoism.

I think the US national debt is about half that of Canada or the EU based on percent
of GDP. We can spend alot more money.

>>I think the US national debt is about half that of Canada or the EU based on percent
of GDP. We can spend alot more money.<<

Here are the top ten GNP nations of the world:

1. USA 10.53 Trillion Dollars
2. Japan 4.85 Trillion Dollars
3. Germany 2.24 Trillion Dollars
4. Britan 1.54 Trillion Dollars
5. France 1.54 Trillion Dollars
6. China 1.33 Trillion Dollars
7. Italy 1.26 Trillion Dollars
8. Canada 760 Billion Dollars
9. Brazil 715 Billion Dollars
10. Spain 651 Billion Dollars

Considering America is already 8 Trillion dollars in the red and considering no other country in the world is worth nearly that much, I'd say America is the world's largest consumer.

Now is it starting to dawn on you the magnitude of the eight trillion we're in debt, half of which was spent in the middle east in the past four years?! ! Now do you see what a monumental waste this amount of money is? With four trillion, America could literally buy any other country in the world!

>>No I am not speaking about dept but rather terrorist winning, the goal is to destroy America.<<

And they're succeeding. When America runs out of money, America can't be at war with anyone anymore because it is out of money. So when America withdraws from the middle east and they start it up again, we will be unable to stop them. Get it?

>>If the government ever needed more funding they could like they have in the past do a war-time tax.<<

For America to start selling war bonds, first it would have to admit it's in a losing war and second, it will have to admit that we're in over our heads. This will never happen.

However, we do sell treasury notes and bonds and such... you give the government $100 and they give you $120 back ten years later. They take the $100 and keep the government running on it and worry about paying the $120 back ten years later. However, since the American dollar is falling and since the world switched to a black based economy (oil), there are better things for a millionaire to invest his money in than bonds and T-bills. This means not many people are giving the government the tangable money it needs to physically keep America running day to day. The longer we're there, the deeper this hole we'll be in.

>>Still terrorist winning as if they already have is just not true.<<

The terrorists are 75% complete with their war against "us American infidels"- they read the Wall Street Journal too. And when the 10.53 trillion dollar America owes the rest of the world 10.53 dollars, they will have won. And Bush is helping them accomplish this goal.

>>For national security reasons the Middle East is important economically because of the oil.<<

Yes. This is because for the past 35 years, America has been suppressing alternative energy sources. If 35 years ago we started some federal project to put up say, windmills and solar panels all across America, we would not need middle eastern oil today- we'd all be driving in electric cars today.

>>That regions stability is important, yet in the event it should become so instable. I am sure it would be easy to capture the oil fields and use the funding from the oil to distribute humanitarian supplies regularly such as food to those in need instead of the fat cats.<<

We already "captured" the oil fields in Afganistan. Man- you need to keep up with current events. We put this pipeline up years ago and we control it. Now let me ask you: has the price of gas gone up or down in the past four years? Better yet- who has profited more from this pipeline- Americans or American big business?

>>A bit drastic, but I don't drive nor care to really. Still food for us comes form trucks ect... Obviously a national security issue and that is some economics.<<

Yes, this is a national security issue. But unfortunately, our current government has allowed big business to have such a stranglehold on staple items that as a result, gas has gone way up.

Higher gas prices = higher cost to get the stuff to the stores = higher cost to the consumer

>>Iraq was a stupid mistake by an ignorant man with cowboy mochoism.<<

Iraq and now Lebanon is unfortunately very neccesary. HOWEVER, we should have sent in like a thousand special ops teams instead of 150,000 soldiers- the job would have been done years ago. Sending in 150,000 troops and telling them to "drive up and down the road until someone shoots at you, then kill them" is not a strategy.

This is a war of money- whoever ends up broke first loses. So everytime we launch a $500,000 missile to blow up a building and kill one terrorist, who is really winning the war?

The time it took me to write this post, America just spent another 17 million dollars in the mideast and that's the bottom line.

1. USA 10.53 Trillion Dollars 64.70%
2. Japan 4.85 Trillion Dollars 170.00%
3. Germany 2.24 Trillion Dollars 68.10%
4. Britan 1.54 Trillion Dollars 42.20%
5. France 1.54 Trillion Dollars 66.50%
6. China 1.33 Trillion Dollars 28.80%
7. Italy 1.26 Trillion Dollars 107.30%
8. Canada 760 Billion Dollars 38.70%
9. Brazil 715 Billion Dollars 50.20%
10. Spain 651 Billion Dollars 48.50%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_debt

As percent seem we are in worst shape than I thought(from qutoes I heard 10 years ago). Still look how bad Japan is!

Paranoia economics may sound convincing, yet terrorism has not won, is not winning and will not ever win unless there are cities destroyed or made inhospitable.

Loosing and money spent must be differentiated; after all live bodies still working and living free is evidence of this. Uniquely, the war on terrorism might be seen as an investment economically in the form of influencing other countries and stabilization and positive political influence.

For instance Iraq though it’s somewhat instable is controlled, once entirely stable and controlled by a free government it becomes an economic partner and likely to become allies.

Thing is though, I really think your arguments are hyper-associated upon fear and not the truth entirely. Terrorist actually wanted the U.S to go bankrupt, but there were economic changes prior to the events of 9/11 so really it’s like saying the obvious.

Could trillions of dollars for stability and security be seen as an investment?

I don't agree with the Iraq war, though I believe making people free is a good thing. Ultimately the Iraq war will be won. I do believe oil should pay off the dept incurred by making the people free.

Also the government is not supposed to be profitable, war costs money. Blame bush for his reactional episodes for a building falling down and his lies. I do not believe that Iraq is part of the war on terror honestly, when I think about the war on terror its more of a mechanism of homeland security.

If anything, let's say the government spends hundreds of trillions of dollars more, it can always be reformulated but the country still is intact and the dept gone as money is just paper and numbers not lives or buildings falling down everywhere here.

I think you need to be more positive, 20-30 years from now this argument you make now could well be considered ill conceived. I hold fast to more patriotic ideals that no matter what the U.S will survive, prosper and continue to grow as well as increase in political influences.

>>As percent seem we are in worst shape than I thought(from qutoes I heard 10 years ago). Still look how bad Japan is!<<

Yes, but there is one HUUUUGE difference between the USA and Japan- they export more than they import, we import more than we export. In other words... they make the stuff the rest of the world needs: cars, computers, cell phones, computers etc...

If there is more demand for your products than you can supply as with Japan, then debt does not matter. If you own a burger joint and sell more burgers than you're able to make, then it does not matter how much you owe... because you're already taking in money as fast as you can. Now what does America make that the rest of the world needs?

Military power and security, why do so many contries invest into america?

Sc- Unless you are going to answer any of the several dozen points I already pointed out to you then you're doing nothing but ignoring most of the facts and twisting the remaining ones to somehow fit your happy little view of America and the world at large.

Some people will never listen. To some people- you can put a cat right in their face and they'll still say it's really a cheeseburger.

Nope, still cleaning and trying to do that and talk at the same time. Don't get an attitude, all I wanted to put across is that your economic dooms day paranoia shouldn’t be taken with a grain of salt.

If anything what I said holds truth to the foundations of America, that within, it would be hard to be defeated. Your focusing on economic scare tactics, which is just fear based. As far as economics go, one should consider population growth to the defecate.

Terrorism cannot really win internally within this country militarily. Economics is important yes but it would not attribute to the total destruction of the economy as business continues and would continue to take place.

Hardly do you have solutions, just fear based propagandas, and some enjoy focusing on the If's as certainties.

It is certainly possible to re-channel funding from less important programs and such to pay it off. For now, the country is at war within and without.

America is not losing, that's a fabrication based upon paranoia’s and far left wing politics...

I've twisted nothing, settle down.

I disagree the war on terror has to do with Religion. as in they feel the need to inflict their religion on the entire world.. that is the bad guys. every war comes down to religion.. for centuries is not really about anything else other than religion. because we don't believe in their radical sense of religion we as the whole world must pay for our non belief. if we don't stand up we shall see another 9/11.

but they do this in the name of religion... its all about us being dirty persons because we all have diverse religions...

A girl I knows boyfriend is in the army and they are sending him to Lebanon.
Not sure of what they'll have him doing, I do know Bush has rushed missiles to Israel.

The feeling I got from watching the evacuations was that they were doing that to make it seem permissable to go in and create all out war.

http://truthout.org/

Don't worry- according to SC, all out war is good for America- it gives us more apple pies and Chevrolets.

I have a friend in Iraq, though I am not sure if he is still there.