Is equality on AS forums possible? (popularity/authority)

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31 Mar 2011, 8:58 am

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If it weren't for my stepdad's wealth and over eagerness to determine what is wrong with everyone in the universe, I probably would never have been diagnosed. The reason for that? Cost. To go to psychologists and neurologists is not something which is free, especially when each of them is trying to save up to purchase their umpteenth yacht.

however people would still think you were an aspie because of your posting style where as a lot of 'undiagnosed' posters have a very 'un-aspie' posting style and I think they are the ones who are most popular and have most authority here.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:02 am

Yeah I agree with that. A flowing, humorous, "buddy buddy" posting style of banter, affection, funny nicknames, and general easygoing-ness and calm-ness. As opposed to the stoic, robotic, straightforward, "giving and receiving information with no messing around" writing style that belongs with our people.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:02 am

lotusblossom wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:

If it weren't for my stepdad's wealth and over eagerness to determine what is wrong with everyone in the universe, I probably would never have been diagnosed. The reason for that? Cost. To go to psychologists and neurologists is not something which is free, especially when each of them is trying to save up to purchase their umpteenth yacht.

however people would still think you were an aspie because of your posting style where as a lot of 'undiagnosed' posters have a very 'un-aspie' posting style and I think they are the ones who are most popular and have most authority here.


You do realize that people have been banned for questioning the diagnoses of others before? It's just generally not a good idea. Can you formally define what a neurotypical posting style is?



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31 Mar 2011, 9:05 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
lotusblossom wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:

If it weren't for my stepdad's wealth and over eagerness to determine what is wrong with everyone in the universe, I probably would never have been diagnosed. The reason for that? Cost. To go to psychologists and neurologists is not something which is free, especially when each of them is trying to save up to purchase their umpteenth yacht.

however people would still think you were an aspie because of your posting style where as a lot of 'undiagnosed' posters have a very 'un-aspie' posting style and I think they are the ones who are most popular and have most authority here.


You do realize that people have been banned for questioning the diagnoses of others before? It's just generally not a good idea. Can you formally define what a neurotypical posting style is?

I wasnt questioning a specific person.
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Yeah I agree with that. A flowing, humorous, "buddy buddy" posting style of banter, affection, funny nicknames, and general easygoing-ness and calm-ness. As opposed to the stoic, robotic, straightforward, "giving and receiving information with no messing around" writing style that belongs with our people.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:05 am

hill-o-beans wrote:
Yeah I agree with that. A flowing, humorous, "buddy buddy" posting style of banter, affection, funny nicknames, and general easygoing-ness and calm-ness. As opposed to the stoic, robotic, straightforward, "giving and receiving information with no messing around" writing style that belongs with our people.


There are loads of Aspies on Intensity Squared who are simply overflowing with the "buddy buddy" style of banter, "funny" nicknames of others, etc, and I have no reason to doubt their diagnoses nor any real ability to prove whether they have been diagnosed or not.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:06 am

lets make a checklist,

calling someone a funny nickname like "kiddo" the second you meet them,

giving them an affectionate put down like "i love you, you scatty slow dumbo you"

doing small talk which is interested in their life (and not just discussing a particular subject with them) like "hey kiddo, hows things going today, how you holding up today hun, me I'm just chilling". Wheras an aspie is "hello, now what is your opinion of todays news"

private jokes of funny words like "wassap"



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31 Mar 2011, 9:08 am

hill-o-beans wrote:
lets make a checklist,

calling someone a funny nickname like "kiddo" the second you meet them,

giving them an affectionate put down like "i love you, you scatty slow dumbo you"

doing small talk which is interested in their life (and not just discussing something with them) like "hey kiddo, hows things going today, how you holding up today hun, me I'm just chilling"

private jokes of funny words like "wassap"


Ah, so if people correspond in a manner more fitting to an internet forum than a chat room, they're Aspie, but if they correspond more fitting to a chat room than an internet forum they're neurotypical?



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31 Mar 2011, 9:10 am

Interesting. I never thought of it that way. I tried to post on an atheist/ex christian chat room this morning and they all ignored me. I didnt feel too rejected though as other people there have been nice to me before, just the elitist jerks were on. I was even trying to join their conversation, (posting videos of music like Tool) saying I had seen the band and liked their videos, which put me out the most. I guess people do need religion to be nice.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:10 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
hill-o-beans wrote:
lets make a checklist,

calling someone a funny nickname like "kiddo" the second you meet them,

giving them an affectionate put down like "i love you, you scatty slow dumbo you"

doing small talk which is interested in their life (and not just discussing something with them) like "hey kiddo, hows things going today, how you holding up today hun, me I'm just chilling"

private jokes of funny words like "wassap"


Ah, so if people correspond in a manner more fitting to an internet forum than a chat room, they're Aspie, but if they correspond more fitting to a chat room than an internet forum they're neurotypical?

I would not say they were neurotypical but higher functioning or milder or less disabled



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31 Mar 2011, 9:13 am

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31 Mar 2011, 9:18 am

hill-o-beans wrote:
Interesting. I never thought of it that way. I tried to post on an atheist/ex christian chat room this morning and they all ignored me. I didnt feel too rejected though as other people there have been nice to me before, just the elitist jerks were on. I was even trying to join their conversation, (posting videos of music like Tool) saying I had seen the band and liked their videos, which put me out the most. I guess people do need religion to be nice.


What the hamster?



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31 Mar 2011, 9:22 am

Of course you don't "post" on chatrooms do you. I should have said "I tried to chat".

but even so, i was doing their chat and talking about their interests and i still got it wrong..not to get too emo, i felt like the boy at the start of "catcher in the rye", such an outcast! lol.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:33 am

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Of course you don't "post" on chatrooms do you. I should have said "I tried to chat".

but even so, i was doing their chat and talking about their interests and i still got it wrong..not to get too emo, i felt like the boy at the start of "catcher in the rye", such an outcast! lol.


No, you do post on chatrooms. Anytime when you submit a sequence of text or material it is a form of posting.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:42 am

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Some people on here are so sucked-up to it's unbelievable.

yes.

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For a start, looks mean everything on here. "No they don't". Yes, they do. If you post a picture of yourself and you look good, people will like you more.

in my opinion, only somewhat. there are some people who are less traditionally "hot", either in terms of physique or facial appearance, who have gotten a lot of respect and support on the forum.

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If you are an adult and have professional sexual experience you can discuss about, people will like you more (The Adult Section VIP Clique).

erm, not sure what constitutes as "professional sexual experience". but people who are open about their sexuality tend to garner interest from many sources on the board (i.e. both experienced and curious but inexperienced members).

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If you are smart, people will like you more.

perhaps, or somtimes they will or dislike you more.

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But if you tell it like it is, people will not like you more. As you will see with the disagreement replies to this, I have lost myself some respect. And that is how forums work. :D

i partially agree with this, but it depends on the situation. disagreements polarize people, so any time a member states a strong opinion, there will be a group that agrees and a group that disagrees. i have had a lot of experience in this area on WP, where i have engaged in 20-page debates and gained both support and dissent in the process (and made both friends and enemies).

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in my opinion (not directed at you Simonono) it seems to me that the approach that some of the "popular" people take is that they are extremely supportive of each other (and of anyone else who enters their online social circle). so they are there for each other when they need it, just like real-life friends. and they clearly enjoy each other's company. it isn't necessarily a closed group - i do not think that they intentionally exclude others, so perhaps people self-exclude to a certain degree? on the other hand i think it could be intimidating to try to get accepted within a group like that.

at times i have seen how it can be frustrating to see the way that groups like this can derail threads by engaging in their banter in a way that detracts from the focus of the discussion. but as long as they keep the majority of their flirtation/internal discussion/jokes on separate threads, i don't see the harm in it too much.

i would not speculate as to whether the most popular people are self-diagnosed aspies or higher functioning or whatever. i don't think it is really fair to *publicly* un-diagnose someone due to our own speculations. i am sure that not a single one of us could be perfect models for the DSM-IV criteria. that kind of upfront questioning seems intended to undermine the credibility of other users who need to be here as much as anybody. i think it's best to keep those kind of thoughts to ourselves as it doesn't serve any good purpose and makes us look worse.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:47 am

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... But if you tell it like it is, people will not like you more. As you will see with the disagreement replies to this, I have lost myself some respect. And that is how forums work. :D

Personally, I think it mostly just scares them.


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