The National Socialist Question

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I am not pro-NS. If you saw my opinions on the Holocaust you would know that.

I was merely making a proposal. I was concerned about people not coming here anymore and wanted to see if this was plausible. It was just an idea. When you make a proposal, you have to look at it through all sides. I know of people who stop recommending the site because of all the NS and WN speech, and I was concerned about that. But the other people have autism as well.

I am sorry you feel that way about my posts. I was suggesting I get really flamed for THIS topic. I have some very controversial views regarding some things and I am sorry you think that my statements are abhorrent. But I believe them based on research from a lot of different websites, not just the biased ones. As for boring, I was accused of something heinous to me. It was natural instinct to try to separate myself as much as possible from the problem, so I said it every chance I could.

Good luck with the last.fm moderator thing. You would have to shut down like an eighth of the board. Most of my stuff is not even about NS topics but rather paganism and stuff like that. It is not really that "hardcore" compared to others.

I am VERY liberal with speech. But I understand this is a private website. It was mentioned earlier to me that there is something about membership and IP addresses, but I forgot.

I believe that banning people (and banning any form of speech) only make things worse. If you ban someone you have to do it to everyone else, and that is dangerous to me. By isolating the problem and putting them somewhere else, I was hoping to start a conversation as to whether this was plausible. I apologize for getting people riled up like this. The title was to get people's attention like a book cover.

I am OK with these criticisms. I believe in free opinion and it would be hypocritical for me to get mad about this. These opinions are not false accusations.

Not only is it not plausible, it's not worth the effort. I'm sorry but the mods don't place as much importance on you as you do on yourself.

You were asking:
1. for Alex to make you a new website for you and your imaginary buddies to post hate speech.
2. for the mods to be your personal bodyguards when you do such.

I seriously find this akin to going to some LGBT suuport site and asking for a conservative christians forum there. You do know people with Autism are a minority don't you? Just like blacks, jews, gays, the disabled? As such I think we aspies tend to lend a little bit of empathy and relation to our fellow minority groups. It would be natural for us to feel revolt towards white supremacy groups or any of their like. It would be more natural for us to support these minorites.

I don't care if its "oh but they're accepting of autistics now". They're just saying that to widen their target market, theres no genuine olive branch of peace there (they'd probably still say that gassing and castrating autistics during the holocaust was A-OK). You can't forget the past.

As MLA said, if people aren't joining because WP is supportive of ALL people, no matter the race/gender/sexuality/neurotype/religion/whatever, well it's absolutely NO LOSS to WP.

All I am trying to do is solve the problem of people not coming back here. I heard it was a problem. I had a proposal but based on some posts here it seems to be apparent that not enough people are nationalists and it is very unpopular. But I tried to offer what I thought might work. This is not about giving people their own forum, but rather KEEPING THEM AWAY to another place so others can enjoy the site. But some people believe they should be exposed, and again, my view is really unpopular. But I wanted to give my two cents on it.

Again, do your research, I have data from numerous sites, including NS watchdog groups and simple logic, that show there is a difference today in attitudes, and there is no recruiting at all on this website. NOT ALL OF THEM ARE ACCEPTING; you are basing your argument that I said all. But this PPR thread is still relevant so I will not talk about it anymore. Anyone else have an opinion on my idea?

Wouldn't they create their own means of discussion if it was needed? Alex need not dirty his hands by allowing them to spread their views here.

Do you not realise that on a worldwide scale Whites are a minority too, and a rather small one (about 12%)?

HerrGrimm, I'm sorry, it seems I underestimated your commitment to free speech.
That is an interesting idea. I cannot really see it happening. It would seem strange having one forum for "political discussion (mainstream)" and one forum for "political discussion (non-mainstream)". I would myself prefer that certain political opinions that have been pushed to the fringes in recent decades could make their way back into the mainstream, but I suppose the reality is that's not going to happen overnight.

Good point.

Also if we give the brown shirt crowd their own room- then we will also have to give seperate rooms to other groups like: advocates of child molesting, of canibalism, of beastiality, of human sacrifice, of revivng the Spanish Inquisition, and of puppy killing.

It would set a bad precedent.

Depends on what you mean by nationalism since it has many meanings because the word nation has more than one meaning depending upon what you're identifying yourself with.
I’m a staunch nationalist in that I identify myself with my country and put that first while others identify themselves primarily with their race or ethnicity and put that first as a nation.
Either way I can’t see a separate forum for nationalism by any definition being granted.

Report on minorities topic

White nationalistics have their own hate site, their own place where they can stew in their own toxic brew. Go there, and ferment.

Think you might have missed the point of Starship Troopers there son. And what you are describing is actually called "xenophobia".

That should tell you, these White Nationalists are not nice people, if they treat you poorly due to your Autism. Why that would inspire you to want an Autistic WN/NS sub forum due to NT Nazis treating you poorly elsewhere is beyond me. I think coderac claimed you are living in your own little world. No offense, but I think he's right.
This is Alex Plank's house, and I doubt he wants a little basement room where Aryan Nations a**holes can party it up

I do not think you understand the motive. In one thread, there was a poster who put a pro-Hitler website and a very racist bookstore in one of his posts. I believe that should have got you banned (yes, I surprisingly agree with you on that one). But instead of removing the thread due to complaints, the moderators LOCKED the thread so others can still see it. I know that if I saw a locked thread with 'Hitler' on it I would be the first to look there and see those sites. People have gotten away with abject racism like in that post, and he is not banned from what I know. So if you are not going to ban them and remove the thread, then you have to MOVE them somewhere else to minimize damage. There actually is something behind this. Numerous people I have seen complained about these things. THIS IS JUST AN IDEA. I cannot stress that enough.

This is I think a safe choice, believe it or not. WrongPlanet has not been mentioned on any website I know about for two years. Posters tend to complain about how liberal the website is.

I do not think people truly understand what a banning really does. There are serious ramifications that one has to consider and make good judgments on them, like who exactly is a problem, etc. You cannot just ban someone because you can; you need really good judgment so it can be applied fairly in the future.

EDIT: When I meant "backlash" yes I meant the anti-WN bias. Because that could be some people's special interests. This forum would not be exactly for just "hatemongers". It would be for people who have "embarrassing" special interests where they can speak their mind. I am a concerned individual about this topic.

EDIT: I bet Alex is shaking his head right now thinking that this is the craziest (or most stupid) idea for the forum he has ever heard.

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It is not a crime to be WN / NS. Those things you said are people who break the law. I will fight those. Plus if I find them I'll have to administer some street justice...I am very militaristic so do not worry, it is my personality.

A lot of people get it confused. I never said these people weren't evil. It is just that people should be allowed to express their ideas. I get called a racist or a troll or an NS apologist, but I know I am not and have to fight back when these claims are false. You get mad at me for always trying to use the Constitution whenever I can, but looking at it now it is a very American thread given some of the posts here. There's like almost no laws governing this stuff in America (so says the Southern Poverty Law Center) and sometimes it feels like a free-for-all especially in this forum and especially when I get involved (sorry, I do not try to hijack threads, trying to cut that down).

Thank goodness. I can't put into words how this thread made me feel. I didn't know those people were here.

Sorry you felt those things.

I have a question: How many Moderators are on this forum? And on this specific board? Do they switch or something like that? This is very important to my next statement.

There are three. We all moderate all the boards.