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08 Aug 2006, 3:56 pm

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mcjeff, to get back to the topic, can you produce any reports of this story from even halfway reputable sources? from a quick google search, it seems to be only right wing and fundamentalist christian and zionist sources who are reporting it. perhaps this is why noone is bothering to even debate the issue with you. i mean who would believe anything thats reported on a website called "rapture ready"?

Of course only the right wing sites are going to report it. The left wing sites are pro-Hezbollah.

Furthermore, there's nothing about "rapture ready" anywhere in the site I linked.

Now honestly, I couldn't find another copy of this story on a more mainstream or more credible appearing website.

However, I found a nice photostory of the whole thing...

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... s-cut.html

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08 Aug 2006, 7:52 pm

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Also, check www.dictionary.com for the definition of anti-semitism.

I checked your definition of the word "semitism" at dictionary.com and came up with the following:
1. A Semitic word or idiom.
2. Semitic traits, attributes, or customs.
3. A policy or predisposition in favor of Jews

(Definitely no evidence here that these "semitic" traits, attributes and customs refer to the Jews and the Jews ONLY.)

Sadly many people think "semitic" only refers to Jews since that's what it's most commonly used for these days. However, anyone that has the slightest knowledge about the actual history of the word would be aware
OF BOTH THE ORIGINS OF PEOPLE THAT WERE REFERRED TO AS 'SEMITES' AND LANGUAGES THAT WERE CLASSIFIED AS 'SEMETIC'. :

(noun)
1. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
2. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.

(adjective)
1. The Semitic languages.
2. Any one of the Semitic languages.

Couple links to learn more about the origins and the meanings of "semitic" / "semite"
SEMETIC PEOPLES: http://www.answers.com/topic/semitic
SEMETIC LANGUAGES: http://www.answers.com/topic/semitic-languages

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08 Aug 2006, 7:56 pm

Look up, literally, anti-semitism.

dictionary.com wrote:

2 entries found for anti-semitism.
an·ti-Sem·i·tism (nt-sm-tzm, nt-)
n.

1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.
2. Discrimination against Jews.

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08 Aug 2006, 8:19 pm

Well, if Jews and Arabs are the same ethnic group, they sure don't act like it.

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08 Aug 2006, 9:24 pm

McJeff wrote:

Look up, literally, anti-semitism.

dictionary.com wrote:

2 entries found for anti-semitism.
an·ti-Sem·i·tism (nt-sm-tzm, nt-)
n.

1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.
2. Discrimination against Jews.

If you type in "Anti-semitism" you'll notice (in Judaism) is added right on to the end of the 'search bar'. It's understandable that this topic focuses on Jews being persecuted rather than other Semitic peoples as they have by far been persecuted the most throughout all of history.. have they not?
But yeah, as I showed earlier "semitism", "semitic peoples", "semitic" etc. CAN all be inclusive to Arabs too and therefore CAN also be used to describe someone like LePetitPrince.

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08 Aug 2006, 9:48 pm

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Well, if Jews and Arabs are the same ethnic group, they sure don't act like it.

Jews aren't an 'ethnic group' though are they??

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09 Aug 2006, 8:05 am

mcjeff, i wasnt talking about left wing sources. i was asking for a link to any reasonably reputable source at all, other than the right wing/fundamentalist xtian/zionist sources who seem to be the only places reporting it.
and i wasnt suggesting you read "rapture ready" (at least i hope you dont :lol: ) just noting that this was one of the first sources to come up when i googled "kama massacre fraud".
there are always people who will claim every massacre is a fraud, from holocaust deniers, to those who question the truth behind the balkan conflict.

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09 Aug 2006, 9:39 pm

So what makes a right-wing source automatically disreputable?

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10 Aug 2006, 7:12 pm

nothing. i never said right wing sources were automatically irreputable.

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11 Aug 2006, 12:36 am

McJeff wrote:

So what makes a right-wing source automatically disreputable?

Society makes them automatically disputable, not on truth but by popularity contest. I'm sure you know what I'm saying from experience.

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27 Aug 2006, 5:28 pm

1) Israel bombed an apartment building and killed dozens of civilians.

2) The IDF admitted there was no hezbollah presence there: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/745185.html

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27 Aug 2006, 5:47 pm

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1) Israel bombed an apartment building and killed dozens of civilians.

2) The IDF admitted there was no hezbollah presence there: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/745185.html

This isn't the same thing as saying they did it deliberately.

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27 Aug 2006, 5:53 pm

Scrapheap wrote:

Scaramouche wrote:

1) Israel bombed an apartment building and killed dozens of civilians.

2) The IDF admitted there was no hezbollah presence there: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/745185.html

This isn't the same thing as saying they did it deliberately.

Precision guided munitions. The vast majority of Israel's victims = civilians. No indication of any legitimate targets.

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27 Aug 2006, 7:59 pm

Scaramouche wrote:

Scrapheap wrote:

Scaramouche wrote:

1) Israel bombed an apartment building and killed dozens of civilians.

2) The IDF admitted there was no hezbollah presence there: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/745185.html

This isn't the same thing as saying they did it deliberately.

Precision guided munitions. The vast majority of Israel's victims = civilians. No indication of any legitimate targets.

Yes, but this is all in hindsight. Ever heard of the Fog of War??

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27 Aug 2006, 9:10 pm

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Yes, but this is all in hindsight. Ever heard of the Fog of War??

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Especially if that building was in the south of Lebanon, intelligence can be screwy sometimes and just the way Hezbollah likes to play things they may have very deliberatly dropped some heavy indicators of their presence there. By all means I'm not saying that's what definitely happened but just some food for thought...

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28 Aug 2006, 6:10 am

Scrapheap wrote:

Scaramouche wrote:

Scrapheap wrote:

Scaramouche wrote:

1) Israel bombed an apartment building and killed dozens of civilians.

2) The IDF admitted there was no hezbollah presence there: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/745185.html

This isn't the same thing as saying they did it deliberately.

Precision guided munitions. The vast majority of Israel's victims = civilians. No indication of any legitimate targets.

Yes, but this is all in hindsight. Ever heard of the Fog of War??

Yes, when I was in the military, I read about how some old naval battles involved poor visibility. And how the same sometimes applies today, such as when large numbers of tanks are screaming around in a desert. However, it has absolutely nothing to do with an aircraft flying over a civilian town and dropping a laser-guided bomb on an apartment building.

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