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muslimmetalhead
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25 Jul 2012, 2:25 pm

SilkySifaka wrote:
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I'm prepared to extend the benefit of the doubt and accept that the question was asked with an honest intention to start a discussion.

There is a line between honest questions and provocation--and certainly some of the OP's other questions have crossed that line. But if we start censoring his questions anticipating that every one of the them crosses the line, then we do ourselves a great disservice.


I must admit that my questions sound pretty provocative. But I honestly am just trying to get answers.
I ask this particular question because of hearing the term "breeder" in the same way as "fag" or "dyke".


Breeder is a nasty term that shouldn't be used. No group of people should be denigrating another group of people, or using stereotypes like that.

I don't understand how it is a stereotype.


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25 Jul 2012, 2:39 pm

It's a stereotype because it's based on the idea that straight people breed mindlessly. While that's certainly true of some it's not true for many. It's also used in a derogatory way as we don't usually refer to human childbearing as 'breeding'. It also defines the person being talked about by their sexuality, which might not be what they want. People should be able to choose how they are defined. For example, you have chosen to put a part of your identity in your screen name, but you probably don't want to be solely judged and related to on that identity. Let's say I have a colleague called Bob who happens to be gay. There is no need for me to call him 'Gay Bob' when referring to him when I could simply call him 'Bob'.

It's best not to refer to anyone using generic terms, and certainly not words like 'breeder' or 'dyke' or anything like that. It's worth pointing out to the people who use them that if they use those words in the workplace they could find themselves in a lot of trouble.



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25 Jul 2012, 3:41 pm

No, that's not true. "Breeder" is a descriptive term which describes something or someone who breeds. If I breed poodles, I am a poodle breeder.

If I have babies with another human, I am a human breeder.

There is no inherent value judgement there unless you want to put it there yourself. Sorry.



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25 Jul 2012, 3:54 pm

Well I consider that there is a value judgement there - I've never heard it used in a neutral manner. We never describe human procreation as 'breeding', we do that only with animals. Using the word 'breeding' to refer to humans generally has negative connotations.



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25 Jul 2012, 4:08 pm

Mus wrote:
No, that's not true. "Breeder" is a descriptive term which describes something or someone who breeds. If I breed poodles, I am a poodle breeder.

If I have babies with another human, I am a human breeder.

There is no inherent value judgement there unless you want to put it there yourself. Sorry.


That's a rather disingenuous statement.

First, "breeder," is accurate in that descriptive context only if the individual being so described has actually produced offspring. A young heterosexual couple who are having sex for fun, while using contraception are no less "breeders" in the estimation of those who fling the epithet about.

Second, while you might use the term in a neutral, objective fashion, it is patently clear that many, many others do not. And while you might not see a value judgement in the use of the word, the people who sneer, "there are too many goddamn breeders in this pride parade/bar/bathhouse!" clearly intend one.


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01 Aug 2012, 11:45 am

I find vagias disgusting, so I suppose that'd be a yes.

The female form is just very unappealing. I once tried to see the appeal and it comes down to brain wiring I suppose.


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