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25 Mar 2007, 5:18 pm

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Coke is the Water of Life how can you blaspheme it so :)



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25 Mar 2007, 5:20 pm

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Coke kicks pepsi´s ass.

Only when pepsi is so outnumbered. I mean really, is it any big accomplishment for a gang of any group to beat up one person?


Coke gave Pepsi a chance to gather a gang, but Pepsi didn´t have any friends to fight with.


Yeah, Mountain Dew was too busy hanging out with cool people. :)

Mountain Dew was too busy trying to distance itself from Pepsi :)



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25 Mar 2007, 6:05 pm

Killer Coke. Unthinkable. Undrinkable.



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25 Mar 2007, 7:21 pm

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I rebel and choose big docta' P!


Eww, perfume! :P



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25 Mar 2007, 9:36 pm

An except from an article at National Review

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The people (labor activist Ray Rodgers) ostensibly represents — those Colombians — say that right-wing paramilitaries killed eight union members between 1989 and 2002 and that these deaths were coordinated with Coke officials who were trying to weaken the unions at local bottling plants. These charges aren’t even close to proven. Two judicial inquiries in Colombia found no evidence to support them. In 2003, a federal judge dismissed Coke as a defendant in a frivolous case filed by the International Labor Rights Fund. The IUF, the labor organization that represents more Coke workers than any other union in the world, has condemned the anti-Coke movement: “The boycott call is based on unsubstantiated allegations and empty political slogans. This call for a boycott will damage, rather than strengthen, the credibility of all those seeking to secure union rights for all employees in the Coca-Cola system.” Rogers bristles at the mention of IUF: “From the start, it’s been a thorn in my side.”

It’s also impossible to ignore the fact that Colombia has suffered from a prolonged civil war, in which both left-wing and right-wing groups have killed thousands of Colombians. That some of these deaths would touch union members who work at Coke facilities, where the unionization rate is considerably higher than it is elsewhere in the country, should not come as a shock.


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25 Mar 2007, 10:00 pm

Coke, the only drink for Santa 8)
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25 Mar 2007, 11:20 pm

Alleged murders in colombia and...

In November 2000, The Coca-Cola Co. in Atlanta paid $192.5 million to settle a highly publicized class-action lawsuit involving about 2,000 African-American employees who alleged wide disparities in pay and promotions. In terms of illustrating racial bias as corporate policy, the settlement represented just the tip of the iceberg...

Aggressive marketing to children of nutritionally worthless and damaging products. Coke paid Warner Brothers, a subsidiary of Time Warner, $150 million for exclusive global marketing rights to the Harry Potter movies, the first of which was released in November of 2001. Obviously, the whole point of Coke’s investment was to entice kids to consume more soft drinks...

Coke admits marketing fraud, settles ‘whistleblower’ lawsuit. In June, 2003, the public got a rare glimpse of Coke’s corrupt business practices when the company acknowledged that employees manipulated the results of a marketing test of Frozen Coke at Burger King restaurants.

Overexploitation and pollution of water sources in India.Of the 200 countries where Coca-Cola is sold, India reportedly has the fastest-growing market, but the adverse environmental impacts of its operations there have subjected the parent company and its local bottlers to a firestorm of criticism and protest. There has been a growing outcry against Coca-Cola’s production practices in India, which are draining out vast amounts of public groundwater and turning farming communities into virtual deserts...

“Three communities in India — Plachimada in Kerala, Wada in Maharashtra and Mehdiganj in Uttar Pradesh — are experiencing severe water shortages as a result of Coca-Cola’s mining of the majority of the common groundwater resources around its facilities. Coke’s indiscriminate dumping of waste water into the ground has polluted the scarce water that remains. In Sivagangai, Tamil Nadu, residents are opposing a proposed Coca-Cola facility because of fears that they too will face water shortages and pollution..." http://www.killercoke.org/pdf/coke-abuses.pdf (See also http://www.indiaresource.org/news/2006/2009.html)

”Repressive, anti-worker policies in many foreign countries. Coke’s reputation has already suffered because of the actions of its subsidiaries and/or bottlers in Brazil, Guatemala, Zimbabwe, the Philippines and elsewhere. (According to reports that seem to echo the horror stories from Colombia...

Anti-competitive practices around the world. Coke frequently gets in trouble because of its trade practices and attempts to monopolize the beverage sector in many countries..

Does this sound like a responsible, ethical corporation?

http://www.killercoke.org/pdf/coke-abuses.pdf

Undrinkable.



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26 Mar 2007, 6:39 am

Forgetting something - namely, that coke USED to contain cociane


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29 Mar 2007, 1:52 pm

I don't drink Coke anymore because it messes up my sugar levels. Coke has so much junk in it, it's more like eating than drinking. Tablespoons of sugar and acid.


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29 Mar 2007, 4:29 pm

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Forgetting something - namely, that coke USED to contain cociane


Trace ammounts, and it was so long ago that it's a non-issue. Know any hundred year olds? they might have drunk coke with cocaine in it.


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30 Mar 2007, 10:40 am

T-rav20 wrote:
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Forgetting something - namely, that coke USED to contain cociane


Trace ammounts, and it was so long ago that it's a non-issue. Know any hundred year olds? they might have drunk coke with cocaine in it.

Which is why I put USED in caps.


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01 Apr 2007, 12:23 pm

First off, my position on corporations is not that they are happy fun nice things but they are amoral things designed to make money for their stockholders (assume it is a public corporation which I believe Coca-Cola is)

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Alleged murders in colombia


I highly doubt that Coke executives ordered the murders of union members in Columbia. If actual evidence rather then rhetoric was the basis of these claims, then I would want them extradited immediately.

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In November 2000, The Coca-Cola Co. in Atlanta paid $192.5 million to settle a highly publicized class-action lawsuit involving about 2,000 African-American employees who alleged wide disparities in pay and promotions. In terms of illustrating racial bias as corporate policy, the settlement represented just the tip of the iceberg...


The fact that the corporation settled is not proof in itself, in fact corporations often settle in such circumstances simply to get the story off the front-pages and to avoids calls for boycotts from the likes of Jesse Jackson..

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Aggressive marketing to children of nutritionally worthless and damaging products. Coke paid Warner Brothers, a subsidiary of Time Warner, $150 million for exclusive global marketing rights to the Harry Potter movies, the first of which was released in November of 2001. Obviously, the whole point of Coke’s investment was to entice kids to consume more soft drinks...


How dare Coca-Cola try to legally advertise it's product in a way that has been widely known to be done for decades?!

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Coke admits marketing fraud, settles ‘whistleblower’ lawsuit. In June, 2003, the public got a rare glimpse of Coke’s corrupt business practices when the company acknowledged that employees manipulated the results of a marketing test of Frozen Coke at Burger King restaurants.


True.

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Coca-Cola Co. admitted Tuesday that employees rigged a marketing test of Frozen Coke at Burger King Corp. stores three years ago, one of a series of allegations in a whistleblower lawsuit under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Burger King said it was disappointed by Coke's actions in the test and is continuing its own probe. The fast-food chain is among Coke's largest customers.

An auditing committee, investigating several allegations by a former Coke manager, also found that the company's fountain division had improperly valued some equipment. The company will take a $9 million pretax writedown to correct the value.

The former manager, Matthew Whitley, also accused the world's largest beverage maker of discriminating against minority employees. In a lawsuit containing his complaints, he said he was fired for raising his concerns to president and chief operating officer Steve Heyer.

Coke's audit committee said Tuesday there is no evidence it discriminates against minorities or women. It also said it found no evidence to support another charge: that the fountain division improperly shifted $4 million of capital funding to a fountain project in 2002.


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Overexploitation and pollution of water sources in India.Of the 200 countries where Coca-Cola is sold, India reportedly has the fastest-growing market, but the adverse environmental impacts of its operations there have subjected the parent company and its local bottlers to a firestorm of criticism and protest. There has been a growing outcry against Coca-Cola’s production practices in India, which are draining out vast amounts of public groundwater and turning farming communities into virtual deserts...


I don't really know enough about this issue to comment fairly. However here is a link to a article from the Wall Street Journal that is fair and critical of both sides (link).

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”Repressive, anti-worker policies in many foreign countries. Coke’s reputation has already suffered because of the actions of its subsidiaries and/or bottlers in Brazil, Guatemala, Zimbabwe, the Philippines and elsewhere. (According to reports that seem to echo the horror stories from Colombia...


I'm not sure what this is in reference to. Obviously I am not going to defend repressive policies, however on the other hand it is worth pointing out that conditions and wages of a Coca-Cola factory in the US are not necessary going to be the same as one in Guatemala. However, at the same time, when a large company like Coca-Cola is allowed to move into a less developed region they will have conditions and wages better then the generally available to attract employees. Indeed, this process can gradually turn entire areas for the better.

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Anti-competitive practices around the world. Coke frequently gets in trouble because of its trade practices and attempts to monopolize the beverage sector in many countries..


A monopoly is defined as having sole control over an entire industry. Unless a government were to restrict other beverage corporations from operating, this will not occur.



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01 Apr 2007, 12:27 pm

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i never said i like it the best....barq's is kinda like a standard that you can always go back to...sure there are better boutique root beers but of the mass produced nationally available ones...it's the best to me. i can always have it and always enjoy it.


Yeah, alot of the best root beers are only available in bottled forms. I like Diet Barq (no caffeine). My personal preference is for A&W, and Mug.



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01 Apr 2007, 12:53 pm

T-rav20 wrote:
sigholdaccountlost wrote:
Forgetting something - namely, that coke USED to contain cociane


Trace ammounts, and it was so long ago that it's a non-issue. Know any hundred year olds? they might have drunk coke with cocaine in it.


The amount of cocaine ounce contained in Coke is hard to say. For one the company says it never contained it. The inventor was a morphine addicted after the civil war.



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01 Apr 2007, 4:49 pm

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i never said i like it the best....barq's is kinda like a standard that you can always go back to...sure there are better boutique root beers but of the mass produced nationally available ones...it's the best to me. i can always have it and always enjoy it.


Yeah, alot of the best root beers are only available in bottled forms. I like Diet Barq (no caffeine). My personal preference is for A&W, and Mug.


my two favorite rootbeers are IBC and abita root beer. both are caffeine free.