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10 May 2007, 6:04 pm

Individually, most people don't really know what to do. The true answers are in complex changes in society that address true root issues surrounding poverty, familial breakdown, etc. that would prevent such things, but it is always easier for societies to look the other way, blame the individuals affected, and/or offer the quick fixes.

I could explain in depth many of the root causes of such issues and how once you have an understanding of those the true solutions become obvious, though it would be a very long post...

I am actually researching a book on the true root causes of poverty with real working solutions for today's issues and the long-term preventions of. It will be about basic human rights, why as human beings we are all entitled to them, and how to create a system in which this is possible.



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10 May 2007, 6:07 pm

In other cases, it must be just their luck.


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10 May 2007, 6:08 pm

I would agree that most homeless people have some sort of mental illness (quite a few are probably on-the-spectrum). They are the dregs of society, the lowest of the low. Lower than anyone in the crappiest job making minimum wage. They are at the total bottom of any social-economic-class scale. I don’t say that to be cruel, it’s just the way it is. Who knows, I could end up like them one of these days.

I don’t think forcing them off the street or to take medication will make them get jobs and be productive citizens. I believe most of them would work if they could, it’s just that they are too deranged. Medication works for some but not everyone. Many people take meds and then stop. If someone is demented, and they take medication as prescribed and it helps them, why would they stop? I believe many people stop taking their meds because of negative side-effects or they are simply not working.

Most illicit drug addicts have a certain psychology that they are born with. They suffer from depression or some other ailment and use drugs to medicate the problem. Pharmaceuticals tend to be too weak for many people, probably so the user can still function when taking them. I really can’t blame people who try to relive their misery with illegal drugs.



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10 May 2007, 6:10 pm

larsenjw92286:
I would have to agree with you there: that it most cases, as society is set up now, it has an awful lot to do with luck. You cannot choose your family, parents, socioeconomic status, where you are born, whether or not you will be mentally ill...

I suspect there are many here at WP that would have a hard time caring for themselves but are lucky enough to have family or others looking out for them. Some, actually many, just aren't so lucky.



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10 May 2007, 6:14 pm

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Most illicit drug addicts have a certain psychology that they are born with.


I would agree there also. Research is increasingly showing that many illicit drug users do have a different chemical makeup of the brain. It is also increasingly showing that the majority of those addicted to substances are self-medicating due to mental imbalances, mental illness, and also due to escape from long histories of abuse and trauma.



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10 May 2007, 6:22 pm

kt-64 wrote:
Feed a man a fish, feed him for a day.

Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.



and when that man has the hook through his finger and hasn't caught a fish because he didn't learn properly....kick his ass to the curb and call him a worthless bum. :evil:



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10 May 2007, 6:23 pm

Unfortunately!


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10 May 2007, 6:24 pm

newaspie wrote:
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Most illicit drug addicts have a certain psychology that they are born with.


I would agree there also. Research is increasingly showing that many illicit drug users do have a different chemical makeup of the brain. It is also increasingly showing that the majority of those addicted to substances are self-medicating due to mental imbalances, mental illness, and also due to escape from long histories of abuse and trauma.



just like me!! ! except i don't touch the hard stuff to self-medicate and i understand that society is biased against those who would choose to self-medicate on their own time.



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10 May 2007, 6:25 pm

Even more unfortunately!


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10 May 2007, 6:38 pm

larsenjw92286 wrote:
Even more unfortunately!


the unfortunate thing is that i was on psych meds in high school and they didn't do a thing for me...just made me worse while i was on them.


i tried shrooms one time and it made me feel great, i wasn't intoxicated but rather just elated and actually appreciative to be alive for once. i miss that feeling.



and i agree with how house described prescription anti-depressants, "i wasn't happy, i was hazy". that's so entirely true.



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10 May 2007, 6:44 pm

Wow!


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10 May 2007, 6:59 pm

larsenjw92286 wrote:
Wow!


eh, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.....unfortunately, lots of people think "what applies for me applies for everyone." which is how you get as many stupid laws as we now have.



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10 May 2007, 7:01 pm

Yes! Really!


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10 May 2007, 7:04 pm

but then again at the same time...those people who end up on the streets decide alcohol or whatever drug du jour over more important things like rent or bills or securing a job.



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10 May 2007, 7:06 pm

I can't believe that or fathom it's true!


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10 May 2007, 7:10 pm

i can....mainly because i've seen how bums spend their money.

it's why i don't give them anything (and that i'm broke-ass poor).