Should wasps have a right to live?

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14 May 2017, 1:27 am

I believe in killing animals if I am going to eat them, and I've never found wasps very appealing in that sense.

I stepped on a nest once and my body was covered in stings, but I lived, so I can't really plead self-defense (though someone with an allergy might have a case in that).

I did kill a wasp once because it was suffering. Someone else had tried to kill it but had been unsuccessful at it, so its body was already mostly crushed.



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14 May 2017, 1:33 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
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If anything humans are one of the least necessary things in the ecosystem.


to their credit, they've made some admirable progress within the last half century. i don't see how they are any less necessary than anything else (say, a coelocanth), and IMO a net detrimental footprint is indeed a shame, but who gets to decide what is "needed" and what isn't?

they simply are, there's no rights involved.

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Hating humans seems like an excessively complicated emotional and thought process to ascribe to a wasp.


dunno, the whole thing just reeks of anthropocentric arrogance, but that's just me. i know quite a few humans who have done less for me than bees, wasps and spiders as a whole.


I know humans have made lots of progress and I don't want humanity to be eliminated, just saying if you subtract humans from the world it would probably be doing just fine. Like non existence of humans would not really effect habitats in a negative way. I mean don't mistake it for something I think should happen, but just technically everything would be just fine without humans. I mean what do we do for the environment that it cannot do itself aside from picking up our garbage and properly disposing of it to not cause hazards.

but it is just the reality that humans are the least necessary species on the planet.


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14 May 2017, 1:39 am

I think all animal species deserve to be protected but I don't want to get stung so I spray them if their nest is in a bad location(like near a doorway or under the carport) but otherwise I'll leave them alone for the most part.


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14 May 2017, 1:48 am

nick007 wrote:
I think all animal species deserve to be protected but I don't want to get stung so I spray them if their nest is in a bad location(like near a doorway or under the carport) but otherwise I'll leave them alone for the most part.


that is my policy, I would never seek wasps out in the wild to kill them, but if it's in my face or building a nest in my house yeah I'll kill it Besides they attack bees also


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14 May 2017, 3:05 am

I dont like them somewhat. Got stung myself this summer by an asian paper wasp when i sat down on a seat outside. It was making a nest just underneath the frame and decided to sting me repeatedly on the underneath of my thigh. My female flatmate at the time was a little taken back as she said i barely flinched and didn't seem normal to react in such a placid manner considering the sting from one of these things is in the top 10 most painful stings just a point bellow a bullet ant. Yes was rather painful but dont seem to react in the same way many do. Was a burning pain for a few days and then dissipated. Funny as it has left me with what feels like a slight strain in my Achilles heal since then that has not gone away. But despite the fact they are not native to here and are a pain especially during summer they do have a vital part in the ecosystem especially for fish species during the summers just to name one. As evil as the little devils are they do have a purpose. I have been ''stung'' more by human beings than i have done via wasps.. I know who the real sociopaths often are! and they are somewhat bigger than a wasp! lol



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14 May 2017, 4:16 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
Hating humans seems like an excessively complicated emotional and thought process to ascribe to a wasp.



Oh how dare you knave, wasps have feelings! That's a very insulting thing to say about such endearing yet delicate
creatures :evil:

Their thought processes are akin to butterflies fluttering through the caerulous sky :D


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14 May 2017, 6:00 am

They have a right to live.

All they really do is build a home, raise family, gather food and protect the home, family and themselves. Not anything a human wouldn't do. they are not interested in attacking humans for no reason. There is always a reason. For example the fact you got too close to their home or behave as if you were attacking them (waving hands). Just keep calm and walk away and the wasp won't hurt you. It won't even be interested in you.
Of course, there are kinds of wasps that are especially aggressive - but they are minority.

The only situation when anyone close to me got stung by a wasp was when a wasp tried to build a nest in our garden and we destroyed it. It wouldn't stung any of us (it was just flying around the broken nest and checking what happened) but my mom stayed there for 2 hours afterwards and was trying to hit the wasp whenever it appeared. It was simply escaping for a long, long time - but eventually it lost patience and stung my mom.

Aside of that - they never seemed to be interested in attacking any of us. They might fly around checking our food, our colorful clothes or our rooms but they won't attack. They seem just curious.
I even had one inside of my sweater once (that I just put on) and it didn't sting me. I heard a buzzing sound and felt something moving in the sleeve so I took the sweater off and it flied away.

They sometimes get inside of my room too. All I do then is sneak to open the window wide and get out of the way. The wasp or whatever (yesterday a hornet visited me) will check my room for 2-3mins and then go straight through the window.

I even saved a wasp a few times - when I saw it drowning in our pond.



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14 May 2017, 7:15 am

This forum definitely needs more wasp related threads, so far only two, which doesn't suffice :?


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14 May 2017, 7:53 am

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They are sociopaths, and they harass people for no reason whatsoever. They raid picnics when we don't want anything to do with them, and they get joy out of stinging. Seriously, they detest human beings, just as we detest them, so we should try to make them all go extinct (especially yellow jackets). I am so tired of them.

The ruined picnics are the least of worries, in my opinion. If you're not too squeamish, look up parasitoid wasps.


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14 May 2017, 8:29 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
If anything humans are one of the least necessary things in the ecosystem.


to their credit, they've made some admirable progress within the last half century. i don't see how they are any less necessary than anything else (say, a coelocanth), and IMO a net detrimental footprint is indeed a shame, but who gets to decide what is "needed" and what isn't?

they simply are, there's no rights involved.

jrjones9933 wrote:
Hating humans seems like an excessively complicated emotional and thought process to ascribe to a wasp.



dunno, the whole thing just reeks of anthropocentric arrogance, but that's just me. i know quite a few humans who have done less for me than bees, wasps and spiders as a whole.


How dare you propose such a ridiculously reasonable claim for this thread???

Species: Homo sapiens sapiens, (as if it were sapiens :lol: )

Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Suborder: Haplorhini
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo

We're talking here about one hairy animal, who claims to be above all others and claims the lives of other unfortunate creatures just for daring to exist.....even if they existed long before he evolved from one unfortunate primate who caused all this mess called homo sapiens oh how very insapiens.

Only and only that which serves that unfortunate animal has the right to live! everything else is just a nuisance, a pest....to that homo insapiens who btw shares cca 60% of the genes with the aforementioned wasps.


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14 May 2017, 8:58 am

A good article on how wasps are beneficial.We would be up the proverbial creek without them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... SHALL.html


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14 May 2017, 9:34 am

We had a wasp's nest at the bottom of the garden. We were told they move on after two years and in the meantime we could just leave them alone. And that's what happened.

The wasps got kind of neighbourly - the time I was daydreaming and watered their nest, one wasp came out slowly flew around my face, but didn't get my attention. Eventually there were 3 of them flying slowly around my face; I dropped the hose and ran back to the house. They followed but I got inside without them. I'm convinced the wasps were thinking "Mission accomplished" and went back to their nest.

They never bothered anybody who wasn't bothering them and they weren't hostile. And eventually they were gone.

But I think a lot depends on how cold your area gets. We get 6 months of 6 feet of snow - not conducive to the growth of mammoth bugs. But what grows in hot climes, I don't know.



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14 May 2017, 9:49 am

seahawksfan46 wrote:
They are sociopaths, and they harass people for no reason whatsoever. They raid picnics when we don't want anything to do with them, and they get joy out of stinging. Seriously, they detest human beings, just as we detest them, so we should try to make them all go extinct (especially yellow jackets). I am so tired of them.

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14 May 2017, 9:55 am

Image

Translation: It's that time of the year again. Learn the difference:

bug 1: honeybee

bug 2: bumblebee

bug 3: as*hole with wings



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14 May 2017, 11:11 am

1Biggles1 wrote:
I dont like them somewhat. Got stung myself this summer by an asian paper wasp when i sat down on a seat outside. It was making a nest just underneath the frame and decided to sting me repeatedly on the underneath of my thigh. My female flatmate at the time was a little taken back as she said i barely flinched and didn't seem normal to react in such a placid manner considering the sting from one of these things is in the top 10 most painful stings just a point bellow a bullet ant. Yes was rather painful but dont seem to react in the same way many do. Was a burning pain for a few days and then dissipated. Funny as it has left me with what feels like a slight strain in my Achilles heal since then that has not gone away. But despite the fact they are not native to here and are a pain especially during summer they do have a vital part in the ecosystem especially for fish species during the summers just to name one. As evil as the little devils are they do have a purpose. I have been ''stung'' more by human beings than i have done via wasps.. I know who the real sociopaths often are! and they are somewhat bigger than a wasp! lol


How do you know it was an asian paper wasp? Like how are they different from the common wasps?


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14 May 2017, 11:34 am

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How do you know it was an asian paper wasp? Like how are they different from the common wasps?


There are many varieties of wasps, all having their own characteristics in size, colour, patterns, shape etc... As i did not scare the wasp off but sitting on his home rightfully got him a bit peeved off, i was able to see the fella and recognized it as a paper wasp.