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30 May 2007, 8:45 pm

Phssthpok wrote:

So when you said,

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NT's seem to have more delusions of superiority and take pleasure when they believe they are superior.

you meant people with AS too?

Maybe I should of added "than aspies." I'm sorry If I made you think that I omitted aspies from this type of behaviour

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30 May 2007, 9:04 pm

Jimbogf wrote:

Phssthpok wrote:

So when you said,

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NT's seem to have more delusions of superiority and take pleasure when they believe they are superior.

you meant people with AS too?

Maybe I should of added "than aspies." I'm sorry If I made you think that I omitted aspies from this type of behaviour

So you're still going to criticize NT's for being more arrogant then aspies? If anything I think egocentric behavior is more prevalent in aspies. It sounds to me like the implication here is aspies are "better" because in your opinion they have less delusions of superiority. That right there is an example of a way you as an aspie are saying you are morally superior to the same group of people you singled out for an exceptional level of this same behavior.

I also don't think arrogance has anything to do with religion since in my own experience religious people tend to be polite and humble and athesits tend to think of themselves as enlightened and too smart for religion.

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30 May 2007, 9:39 pm

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I am better than you.

I bet I just made your blood boil there. Plus you were already irritated with arrogance in general. Now, think about why you are so mad, just think about it. I'm proclaiming my superiority over you.... why does that make you mad? Why do you feel the need to defend yourself? Why do you hate arrogance? Explain your behaviour. Answer this to yourself, go ahead.

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30 May 2007, 11:49 pm

Based on an unusually high number of US based aspies reporting being non-religious when most people in the US (97% I think) report being religious suggest that religion is infact highly comorbid with NTs. But at the same time a large percent of people here likely have much greater schizotypal characteristics than the general population of the country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypa ... y_disorder

Combined that with the obsessive characteristics of aspies and you get a sizable percent of hyper-religious people. So my guess is 25% of aspies are hyper-religious and 75% are non-religious.

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31 May 2007, 12:08 am

TheMachine1 wrote:

Combined that with the obsessive characteristics of aspies and you get a sizable percent of hyper-religious people. So my guess is 25% of aspies are hyper-religious and 75% are non-religious.

It would be just as reasonable to suppose that 75% accept and reflect the easy social mores of mainstream society whilst the remaining 25% are willing to seek truth to its logical end, even at the price of terrible inconvenience. :wink:

You guys might be interested to know that someone did a Myers-Briggs type sorter results poll at an orthodox Roman Catholic board I frequent, and the personality type with the most results was the super-logical and rare INTJ. Just like here on WP.

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31 May 2007, 1:42 am

gwenevyn wrote:

No an atheist is not in the 97% of the religious in the US so they are walking the hard path of logic in a world of illogic. A religious person is following mainstream society(the path of least resistance).

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Yeah most forum sites have a very high percent of INTP & INTJ and lessor numbers of
all the other I*** types and very few E*** types. They do that same test on every forum site I have been to at clockwork every few months again and again.

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31 May 2007, 2:11 am

I'm religious and not NT. I'm not sure what that religion is. It's so outrageous that even the flying spaghetti monster would be jealous. You've seen some of it actually.

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31 May 2007, 2:21 am

TheMachine1 wrote:

I'm pretty sure that's an old figure. But even the USA were 99.999 percent religious, that fact still wouldn't support the conclusion that atheists are more logical than believers.

Debating the matter is pretty much a moot point anyhow, IMHO, since each group consists of such a wide variety of individuals with unique motivations. I could not, for example, be expected to defend the behavior of the average militant Fundamentalist or lukewarm cafeteria-style Catholic, since I find both types to be gravely mistaken. Nor, I suspect, would you desire to be lumped in with every non-believer.

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31 May 2007, 5:09 am

gwenevyn wrote:

TheMachine1 wrote:

I'm pretty sure that's an old figure. But even the USA were 99.999 percent religious, that fact still wouldn't support the conclusion that atheists are more logical than believers.

Oh I'm sorry my main point was not to call religion illogical my point was to say your not walking the difficult path in life following religion your going with the crowd. Your other post seemed to indicate you felt the opposite was ture.

Yeah I have the number off but this is where I read it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17879317/site/newsweek/

91% Americans believe in God

Quote:

only six percent said they don’t believe in a God at all. Just 3 percent of the public self-identifies as atheist, suggesting that the term may carry some stigma.

gwenevyn wrote:

Nor, I suspect, would you desire to be lumped in with every non-believer.

Well I am comfortable being lumped with all non-believers because we have nothing in
dispute.

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31 May 2007, 5:57 am

The social aspect of religion is probably an NT trait. The dogmatic and emotional aspects of religion, i.e. faith, is in no way reserved for NTs only. It doesn't surprise me that many aspies are unable to understand religious people, but that doesn't mean that religion actually is a social, illogical NT trait.

The inability to understand people who think differently is very likely an aspie trait.

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31 May 2007, 6:18 am

Dreamer2 wrote:

The inability to understand people who think differently is very likely an aspie trait.

Good point.

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31 May 2007, 6:22 am

Isnt myer-briggs stupid? They make fun of it in dilbert, and I think I have heard my dad say it is terrible.

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31 May 2007, 6:25 am

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Isnt myer-briggs stupid? They make fun of it in dilbert, and I think I have heard my dad say it is terrible.

Well its greatest limitation is it breaks humanity into 16 types which does not explain the human condition well enough.

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31 May 2007, 6:29 am

It is also dated, too. Wasnt it rolled out by Jung? Smart guy. But some of his work is not ture, most of it is though.

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31 May 2007, 8:47 am

TheMachine1 wrote:

Well I am comfortable being lumped with all non-believers because we have nothing in
dispute.

Sure you do. Stalin didn't believe in God and Stalin killed millions of people. Would you want to be lumped in with Stalin? Not likely. Would non-believers in a religion have some form of dispute with Stalin's morality? Most certainly.

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31 May 2007, 9:12 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

TheMachine1 wrote:

Well I am comfortable being lumped with all non-believers because we have nothing in
dispute.

Well I think fanatical devotion to a philosophy such as communism is the equivalent of religion regardless if one is an atheist. So I think Stalin has more in common with whats driving a religious person than me.

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