GHOST SHOWS SUCK
I liked Sightings when I was younger, but some of the later episodes started getting ridiculous. Every other ghost show I've seen has been incredibly lame...either they are outright faking their footage, or anything that might actually be happening is drowned out by spooky music and sound effects ![]()
I like Ghost Adventures, but it could be a lot better. I wish they would spend more than just one night at most of their locations, and they neglect some of their more interesting scientific devices in favor of things like the "spirit box" (which is clearly picking up radio broadcast signals or maybe interference from telephones or other devices) or the Kinect (which, while looking interesting, seems like it's only picking up glitches).
I also hate when people tell them "oh, someone died here", and they take their word for it without doing any research (which they used to do, and they did a lot less reenactments). I don't agree with most of their "evidence", but when they do get something really creepy, it's pretty cool. And even if they don't find anything at all, I just like to watch them explore and explain all of the historical locations they visit.
Plus, it's a lot of fun to make fun of those "bros"
I've experienced ghosts with most of my five senses, on several different occasions. I'm a very logical person, but I can't explain my experiences away as being mere imagination or hallucinations. Especially when some of them are experienced by an entire group.
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The only other guess is that the Atlantis Myth is derived from oral histories dating back to the end of the most recent glaciation period. That is, as the "Ice Age" came to an end, the massive ice sheets covering most of North America, Asia, and Europe melted, filling the oceans, and causing the sea level to rise. All of the villages and settlements that were once well above sea level were slowly inundated and covered by the rising waters. Even though this process may have taken 400 years, the subsequent 300-foot rise in sea level was remarkable enough that every culture from all over the world had a story about how their ancestral towns were swallowed by the sea. After many tellings, exaggeration was bound to take hold -- what was originally an 8-inch rise in sea level every year that eventually swallowed the local fishing village became the overnight sinking of an entire continent into some far-off ocean. Human nature being what it is, this exaggeration eventually became accepted as 'truth' to people for whom the word 'science' has more to do with superstitious nonsense than with methodical evidence-gathering.
What we know as the 'Atlantis Myth' is nothing more than an oft-repeated story told of ordinary events that happened 12,000 to 15,000 years ago -- roughly 6500 to 9500 years before the first known written language!
The hypothesis that makes the most sense is that Atlantis was actually ancient Minoan Crete. It was in fact destroyed by volcanoes or some such.
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Hypothesis there is plato was off on the year by a rough factor of ten due to misunderstanding the egyptian priests who were the source of this info
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"It must be understood, that neither by word nor deed had I given Fortunato cause to doubt my good-will. I continued as was my wont, to smile in his face, and he did not perceive that my smile was at the thought of his immolation."
Edgar Allan Poe, The Cask of Amontillado
The earliest mention of Atlantis in existence is from two Socratic dialogues called Timaeus and Critias, both written about 360 B.C. by the Greek philosopher Plato. Together, the dialogues are a festival speech, prepared by Plato to be told on the day of the Panathenaea -- a festival held in honor of the goddess Athena. They describe a meeting of men who had met the previous day to hear Socrates describe the ideal state.
The Atlantis myth is part of the Socratic dialogue, and is not an historical treatise. This becomes obvious when one notes that the story is preceded by an account of the sun god's son Phaethon yoking horses to his father's chariot and then driving them through the sky and scorching the earth. Rather than exact reporting of past events, the Atlantis story describes an impossible set of circumstances which were designed by Plato to represent how a miniature utopia failed due to the hubris of its leaders and became a lesson in defining the proper behavior of a state.
The Atlantis story is clearly a parable on the order of the David and Goliath story: Plato's myth is of two cities which compete with each other, not on legal grounds but rather cultural and political confrontation and ultimately war. A small but just city (an Ur-Athens) triumphs over a mighty aggressor (Atlantis). The story also features a cultural war between wealth and modesty, between a maritime and an agrarian society, and between an engineering science and a spiritual force.
Only this, and nothing more.
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The mere fact that science may not yet adequately explain an object, event, or experience does not mean the immediate explanation should automatically default to a conspiratorial, extraterrestrial, paranormal, or supernatural cause.
The earliest mention of Atlantis in existence is from two Socratic dialogues called Timaeus and Critias, both written about 360 B.C. by the Greek philosopher Plato. Together, the dialogues are a festival speech, prepared by Plato to be told on the day of the Panathenaea -- a festival held in honor of the goddess Athena. They describe a meeting of men who had met the previous day to hear Socrates describe the ideal state.
The Atlantis myth is part of the Socratic dialogue, and is not an historical treatise. This becomes obvious when one notes that the story is preceded by an account of the sun god's son Phaethon yoking horses to his father's chariot and then driving them through the sky and scorching the earth. Rather than exact reporting of past events, the Atlantis story describes an impossible set of circumstances which were designed by Plato to represent how a miniature utopia failed due to the hubris of its leaders and became a lesson in defining the proper behavior of a state.
The Atlantis story is clearly a parable on the order of the David and Goliath story: Plato's myth is of two cities which compete with each other, not on legal grounds but rather cultural and political confrontation and ultimately war. A small but just city (an Ur-Athens) triumphs over a mighty aggressor (Atlantis). The story also features a cultural war between wealth and modesty, between a maritime and an agrarian society, and between an engineering science and a spiritual force.
Only this, and nothing more.
I believe that Plato did just make it all up for the reasons you post. However, if there was in fact any historical civilization that may have been an inspiration or whatever, I think Archaic Crete is the most likely candidate. As for legendary Atlantis, as in a continent sized landmass in the North Atlantic that sunk beneath the waves, that is pure fiction. If it were real we would know it by now.
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"It must be understood, that neither by word nor deed had I given Fortunato cause to doubt my good-will. I continued as was my wont, to smile in his face, and he did not perceive that my smile was at the thought of his immolation."
Edgar Allan Poe, The Cask of Amontillado
I agree that if a continent-sized land mass took less than 24 hours to sink to the bottom of the North Atlantic, there would be more "evidence" of its existence than a few sentences in some didact's essay.
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I agree that if a continent-sized land mass took less than 24 hours to sink to the bottom of the North Atlantic, there would be more "evidence" of its existence than a few sentences in some didact's essay.
I'm still looking for Bigfoot. If he is living in the wilds of North Dakota, I will find him....
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"It must be understood, that neither by word nor deed had I given Fortunato cause to doubt my good-will. I continued as was my wont, to smile in his face, and he did not perceive that my smile was at the thought of his immolation."
Edgar Allan Poe, The Cask of Amontillado
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