The government wants to "nationalize" your corpse

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Wait, so let me ask you then - what to you offer society? What do you do bring to the table? Are you in the military? Do you have a job where you have a role vital to the people in your area? Are you a public servant? Do you even have a job?

Our society and government are nothing more than a pooling of our resources (resources of the willing) that we put in because we would like to see better lives for ourselves, our kids, and when people don't want to contribute, either someone else has to pick up the slack somewhere or the problems and deficits go unsolved. When people start getting real "me" oriented, thats when your starting to force government to act like big brother because they can't get what they need through volunteerism anymore. There is no magic place or provider that we can just pull resources from and yeah, when you listen to the fact that we're popping in hearts, kidneys, and other parts from political prisoners in China that should probably weigh a lot more on your mind than the idea that they may grab organs out of you when you pass on. Personally I'd have a real problem with people going through some pretty extreme physical agony, needing organs, and dying because there was one or two organs in the medical supply pool and I said "No, even though I'm done using it and its gonna rot away, what's mine is mine".

I'm sorry that you are offended that I don't feel the need to be harvested before or after I am dead by the government.

I do work. I give to my community, monitarily and physically and donate blood when I'm asked to.

I wonder how many people die needing organs because there are no organs to be had or because they do not have the money/insurance to sustain them until organs are available.

If my organs are needed by someone I care about, I will be there of offer myself, otherwise, I feel it should be my choice.

Again, I am sorry if my opinion was not like yours and that my speaking about it offends you.

Nah, sorry. Just that with your last post it really didn't come out that way.

techstepgenr8tion, no harm done. I admire your dedication to community and to society. I suppose I am just bitter and very tired of the government in general.

My family has always been present in every American war/confrontation (at least as far back as I can trace) and it seems the government has given very little back to them when they have lost so much of themselves. I also have a small farm and I have seen so much farmland taken from farmers and government control of larger farms...it makes me ill to think of it.

I do not see government and society as one (anymore) and the same because it has been so very long since they have had a ruling that helped my family (a hard working class family - the lower end of middle class). I do not receive (or have never really wanted) any benefits because I make too much money and yet I have so very little to show for it because I am taxed nearly to death.

The most recent ruling (not for taxpayers and US voting citizens) that said if a (greedy) business wishes to have your property for a money making endevour - if it means financial gain to the county/city/state, it is perfectly legal to take my property - well, that just took the cake.

I suppose this was just my reaction to everything that is being taken from US citizens - I would give the shirt off my back to just about anyone that asks but to try and take something from me, well, I can get pretty beastly about that.

Anyway, I still must state that until the time the government takes away our ability to think for ourselves and the right to choose for ourselves completely, my answer must remain as follows;
"No ******* way!"

techstepgenr8tion, I am still very glad that you and I do live in a country where it is still okay to agree to disagree. Thanks for listening to me vent.

PS - Here are a couple of links to similar subjects along the same line as we have talked about here in this thread;

http://www.ncpa.org/~ncpa/studies/s166/s166.html
this link speaks of the possibility that healthcare supervised and dictated by government may not be the better choice.

http://academic.udayton.edu/health/05bi ... very03.htm
this link talks about the possibility of race, minority discrimination when determining medical treatment and healthcare options.

To me it really seems like we've gotta get a handle on the Supreme Court. That whole emininet domain extension they filed was pretty messed up (among other things).



I agree in the sense that the rich really have been running things in too many ways it especially shows where you have bipartisan support of free world trade and all that. If the damage is already done though the most we can really do is criticise them if they don't go hard enough on places like China who aren't playing the game fairly.



Again, I really hope Bush puts in better people than that during his term. If I could see 3 or 4 Renquists to replace the one who'll be retiring soon then I think we'll be moving in the right direction.



I can't stand that either. I really wish he had a way of cutting down the influence the rich had in that sense. Campaign finance, that may help to an extent but we've also gotta make sure that it doesn't end up with candidates being sorted out by who has enough money to run from their own bank account.

All I know is a lot of these things are getting pretty heated right now. Hopefully once we get the supreme court in better hands we can work on the senate and their control via special interests.

George carlin: Aww, pull the plug on me, if i'm ever in an accident, if i'm ever comatose, pull the plug on me. BS! Leave my plug alone. I want all you've got, plugs probes electrodes IV. Get an extension cord for my plug!
Save my ass.
If i'm ever comatose, if i'm ever like that, i need 3 things, icecream, morphine and television. Gimme that icream every 2 hours, gimme that morphine every .... ten minutes, and put on the f*****g TV. I wanna see heraldo! s**t man, you gotta be brain dead to watch heraldo in the first place, might as well watch it when you're clinically brain dead.

Not sure where this quote comes in: "f**k em, If they want parts they can take my rectum and my anus, take em and get out of here."

I'm not making a judgement here, it is just that that started playing in my head when i saw this article.

I'd be concerned about the hospital letting me die so that they can harvest me for parts.

george carlin: You think if a paramedic or a doctor finds that card on you if you get into an accident theyre going to try to save your life? BS man, theyre looking for parts!
Look dave, here's that lower intestine we've been looking for, never mind the IV, this man's a doner!

I always thought that too. Instead of using animals for it who are no way related to humans (countless studies prove that animal testing for humans is old and outdated and never brings in any useful results.)

They can have my organs when they pry them from cold dead hands.... Oh, wait a minute, never mind.

Actually, if there are any of my organs that are worth recycling when I'm dead they can have them, it's just meat. I think organ donor should be the default situation with an application required to not be an organ donor, along with a small processing fee of course

They could probably take my kidneys but lungs and liver might be a bit questionable. One of my cousins just had a lung transplant (is my age but had like 30% lung capacity from having double-pnemonia as a kid) and when my parents were talking about the whole doner system they say they tend to put smokers and or drinkers toward the end of both the doner and the receiver list for obvious reasons. It reminds me that I don't wanna rock out on my body too hard just because, after a point it really is kind of an irreversible thing and that thought alone is a bit scary.

They can have my organs when I have them replaced with cybernetic implants. And the way things are going, that should only be about... Oh, lessee, 30-40 years? So when I'm in my 40's/50's, they can take my perfect-condition organs, make me a cyborg, and be done with it. I'll fight their wars if they want, but once time travel comes along, I'm the hell outta there. I'm going back to the beginnings of civilization to become an omni-existant God. All Praise Lord Ceallach!

1 1/2 years after it was made....WTF???

Hell, they can take my organs, I've no use for em.
Provided that my family can call dibs!

Yeah does it really matter if You are dead.

Why'd Sean get banned? He was one of my favorite posters here.