I don’t have any female friends I know in person

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08 Nov 2019, 9:06 am

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^ So... we gonna start Get Markins to Canada and Make Sure He Stays -project? Certainly the place couldn't be any worse for him than where he lives now.

Sounds like a plan :D


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08 Nov 2019, 10:36 am

Does Marknis have family in Canada?

If so, he can immigrate.

If not, he can only become a citizen, in practical terms, if he marries a Canadian woman.



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08 Nov 2019, 3:33 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
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Why would you need female friends specifically? There isn't really anything you could do with them that you couldn't do with male friends, unless you're hoping one of them would develope to a relationship of course.


Women and men are different, if you had nothing but female friends you would feel a lack of a male presence. Women have something to offer that men don't; and men have something to offer that women don't, which is why both are needed to raise a child.


Nah, not really. I have both male and female friends and while they have individual differences, nothing really puts a clear line between men and women. Also, you don't need a male and a female to raise a child. I know plenty of people who've been raised by women only and turned out just fine (and many who've been raised by a man and a woman but turned out very messed up.)


You've never been there, so you don't understand. Additionally, the differences between the genders are immense. Women have a thing called 'the medium is the message', meaning that, the way a woman says something, says more than the contents itself, but for men it's the opposite. When men speak it's about the contents hence to understand a lady you have to observe HOW she's speaking instead of WHAT she is speaking. In essence men and women speak two different languages, one is about the medium the other is about the content. Skillful men who understand how to read women will talk about this as it occurs because men are usually making the mistake of trying to understand women as they understand men, leading to dysfunction. Women can read other other's language just fine, but men can't.

Women are nurturers so they give to children confidence, whereas men establish their limits by guiding them towards things that they're good at. You'd see this when a mother is complimenting their child's poor drawing, saying "it's amazing" in order to spur confidence in the child. Men don't tend to do this, which is why mothers are valuable. Later on in life that's when the fathers will guide their children to what they excel at, but a mother's duty is to maintain a kind of broadness in the child to test the waters to what they might be gifted in, hence women tend to be generalists while men tend to be specialists. This is why women find emotionally fulfilling work such as teaching more appealing as it let's them remain broad in order to nurture children.

It's possible for single parents to raise a good child, but not likely, if you’d notice something about school shooters and mass shooters is that they tend to come from broken homes, the father has something that the child wants, as does the mother.

Wholesome families raise wholesome children, everyone wants a mother and a father for good reason.


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That's funny, I didn't respond to her as I could already see by her response that she wasn't going to accept reason, but if you think pointing out sex differences is 'sexist', then I've got something more to say. The very nature of sex is that there are differences, the sexes are as different in appearances as they are in the brain, that's not sexist, it's sex. It's the very nature of sex, if you can't accept that then good luck in life because you're' going to be at constant war with yourself and with reality. No-where will you find peace.

Men love to build, spar, and tinker, women love to nurture, teach and raise; nothing you do will ever change that, and nothing you say will ever make that 'sexist'. For the one is NOT at war with the other, but compliments it. Hence men and women form a team to raise a child, the man isn't superior for having a different battleground than the woman nor is the woman superior for having a different battleground than the man. Great people come from great families, a man's battleground is his workplace and woman's is her homeplace, There is nothing sexist about that.

So don't go declaring war against reality, only one person is going to win that war and it isn't going to be you. Talking about sex is also not a derailment because the very nature of OP is about sex (as in gender). Anyways, you can certainly have the last word over me as I'm not interested in debating with people who can't accept empirical evidence, but reality will have the last word over you. So good luck, to both of you.

Goodness knows where you found the 'homophobic' in my post. Good grief.



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08 Nov 2019, 10:54 pm

^ Declaring that "all men are X" and "all women are Y" is sexist.

Furthermore, stating that families who are not heteronormative are "defective" or "not wholesome" is both sexist and homophobic.

Knock it off. If your only ambition here is to convert vulnerable members to your religion, then you might consider moving on. This thread is not about your religious beliefs, and trying to start debates in The Haven is contrary to the very nature of The Haven. Any further posts of this nature will be removed, and you may earn a trip to "banned camp."

That's the last I'll say on this matter.


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08 Nov 2019, 11:37 pm

There is no “empirical evidence” that all men love to fight wars, and all women love to keep house.



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09 Nov 2019, 11:40 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Does Marknis have family in Canada?

If so, he can immigrate.

If not, he can only become a citizen, in practical terms, if he marries a Canadian woman.


I don’t have family in Canada.

If I didn’t break up with my only real girlfriend, the possibility would’ve been there since she was born Canadian but lived in America until her parents split up and she decided to live with her Canadian mother. Last I heard of her, she married a Canadian man.



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10 Nov 2019, 12:28 pm

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Aside from one person who I haven’t seen in person for some months now, I don’t have any female friends in person. A lot of this has to do with the gender roles of the culture I live in. Women I encounter tend to stick to other women as far as friendships go and once they have a boyfriend or husband, the men usually won’t let them have male friends unless the male friend is himself in a relationship. This really discourages me and it feels like people are less interested in making new friends as the years grind on for me. I am not getting any younger and I am at the age I should be comfortable socially.



Why do you suppose you have no in-person female friends?



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10 Nov 2019, 1:42 pm

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Aside from one person who I haven’t seen in person for some months now, I don’t have any female friends in person. A lot of this has to do with the gender roles of the culture I live in. Women I encounter tend to stick to other women as far as friendships go and once they have a boyfriend or husband, the men usually won’t let them have male friends unless the male friend is himself in a relationship. This really discourages me and it feels like people are less interested in making new friends as the years grind on for me. I am not getting any younger and I am at the age I should be comfortable socially.



Why do you suppose you have no in-person female friends?


Women in the culture I live in tend to have boyfriends or husbands who won’t let them have male friends unless the male friend is coupled up himself and a lot of women I encounter tend to not share interests with me. Obviously, it’s not the case with all of the women here but even the ones who break the mold I still struggle to socialize with. I am not really “hip” and I am always blind sided socially.



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10 Nov 2019, 3:13 pm

You really need to work on your social skills, for that seems to be the main problem here. Just talk to people. Sure, you're likely to mess up some encounters at first, but instead of giving up, consider it valuable data. Analyze what went wrong so you can avoid the same mistakes.



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11 Nov 2019, 12:15 pm

Fireblossom wrote:
You really need to work on your social skills, for that seems to be the main problem here. Just talk to people. Sure, you're likely to mess up some encounters at first, but instead of giving up, consider it valuable data. Analyze what went wrong so you can avoid the same mistakes.


I am better at talking to people than I used to be but I still struggle to keep conversations going, especially when there is pauses in the conversations or if the person I am talking to moves on from me.



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11 Nov 2019, 1:06 pm

SecretOpossumCabal wrote:
Great people come from great families, a man's battleground is his workplace and woman's is her homeplace, There is nothing sexist about that.


Leaving aside the rest of the nonsense, you don't like history or reading biographies/journals of great people, do you?



My apologies, marknis, for derailing. All I can say on the topic is that I believe you'd be a lot happier in Europe or Canada, and Canada sounds more realistic.

I truly believe that moving away from your family and current environment could make a huge difference for you - it did for me and also for a very good (and much younger) friend of mine, it was like a whole new world opened up for us. I wish you the same.


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12 Nov 2019, 8:55 am

The workplace is not a battleground for me. It’s more like a slave plantation.

I do wish I could move out but I am practically broke.



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12 Nov 2019, 9:39 am

^ Do your disability benefits still go to your mom? If so, then what does the law have to say about that? Would it and your salary be enough that you could rent some small place?

And of course, would you be able to live on your own?



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12 Nov 2019, 9:43 am

I wish we really knew Marknis in person. Otherwise, we really can't determine his "readiness" to live on his own. Only he can.

If he's successfully worked for 13 years in a library, then it means he can probably be more "independent" than he is now.



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12 Nov 2019, 10:23 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I wish we really knew Marknis in person. Otherwise, we really can't determine his "readiness" to live on his own. Only he can.


True, but if he thinks he can't, then it's likely that he's right. If that is the case, then it's too early for him to think of moving out anyway.



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12 Nov 2019, 10:35 am

An ideal situation is if his parents can serve as a sort of "safety net" when things don't go right.