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10 Mar 2020, 1:38 pm

This thread is sounding as promising as I wish the country sounded. We need to fundamentally change direction and neither party wishes to do so. These people will eventually die off (most are my age or older), but by the time they're gone it may be too late to fix things. I can't think of a way to drive this home to people or I'd be doing so.



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10 Mar 2020, 5:44 pm

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^ or maybe some effective, well-drafted regulations: with a properly funded and staffed bureaucracy to administer them.
And requisite penalties that are actually enforced.
(We could sure do with that this side of the pond)

:P I’ve become a centrist dad haven’t I? :P

Big business runs our government and writes our laws passed by those that get cushy jobs on K street. Income inequality is at an all time high and it's getting worse. Votes are manipulated by weaponizing advertisement abusing social media data, not to mention gerrymandering. It's time to take drastic measures and stop day dreaming that things will magically get better when corporations would rather pay fee's because it's cheaper to just poison people and pay the fines than it is to clean up the mess and do the morally correct thing to do.


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11 Mar 2020, 2:21 am

Since when did society care about its fellow man. Things have always been at least the same in that regard throughout history and often worse.

Mankind is the world's shortest oxymoron.



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11 Mar 2020, 2:39 am

^ Well, yes: wealthy & powerful individuals and families maintaining their position by unsavoury means is more of a feature of civilisation in general than a bug.

blackicmenace wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
^ or maybe some effective, well-drafted regulations: with a properly funded and staffed bureaucracy to administer them.
And requisite penalties that are actually enforced.
(We could sure do with that this side of the pond)

:P I’ve become a centrist dad haven’t I? :P

Big business runs our government and writes our laws passed by those that get cushy jobs on K street. Income inequality is at an all time high and it's getting worse. Votes are manipulated by weaponizing advertisement abusing social media data, not to mention gerrymandering. It's time to take drastic measures and stop day dreaming that things will magically get better when corporations would rather pay fee's because it's cheaper to just poison people and pay the fines than it is to clean up the mess and do the morally correct thing to do.


Yes... I agree that all these things are occurring, and don’t have an off-the-shelf solution: I’m skeptical that there is one to be honest.
But considering this thread is in the haven I think we should avoid debating it out at this point in time. :wink:



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11 Mar 2020, 2:08 pm

The art of living involves to keep a little bit of black humor too - especially if it comes to the way that people are. :twisted: Just stay opportunistic and make always the best you can out of the situation. :?


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11 Mar 2020, 9:16 pm

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OUR country is being held hostage by greedy, corrupt, power hungry sociopathic boomers with no morals who see fit to chip away at the institutions and safety nets, carefully built up over generations to serve everyone, and abuse whatever is left to line their pockets and make everything for their own personal gain, in accordance to the worldview shaped by their privileged childhoods. "screw you, i got mine" mentality runs rampant in this country, among all generations, but we're feeling the effect most from the one who actually has power - and will not let it go, the metaphor of the "dying establishment" is most apparent in the prospect of the 2020 election - a race between two corrupt, senile old men, who have no meaningful differences in their disastrous beliefs to speak of, only registered in different parties. if it comes to trump or biden, i know i'm staying home. a vote for a "lesser evil" is still a vote for an evil.

when you look at the seed population of america, it all makes sense. religious fanatics, outcasts of all shapes and creeds who could not make it in europe, it makes sense that they would create a country that would be another pariah itself.

what you are seeing right now are the unmistakable symptoms of systemic rot like karamazov pointed out, and all the f**kery that's going on is just the establishment in a more frantic and desperate attempt to save itself as they literally die out and see the writing on the wall.

so what will you do? are you gonna help make this a better place?


That is unless the next incarnation of the "establishment" isn't even more insane or bat crazy. Progressivism and far-left ideas like "socialjustice-sm" (they really seem more like codewords) are now popular with most of the current young generation mainly because of lifetime indoctrination from their boomer counterparts. That's also why you see crazy people from that side every day in some form like the de-facto censorship of those who they disagree with and the corrupted mainstream LGBT movement with grown naked men dancing in front of young kids, like idiots.



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12 Mar 2020, 3:49 am

Hyperpartisanship is a big problem. Anyone who isn't a right-wing or left-wing populist is considered a RINO or DINO, and can't make it past the primaries, and those who do survive the primaries lose in the general election because they get lumped in with the extremist populists by the other party. Even Susan Collins is struggling, and Doug Jones is likely to be voted out.

I don't know what the DNC's stance is on Bernie, and the RNC is purposely keeping Bill Weld out of many states' ballots or canceling primaries altogether.


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12 Mar 2020, 5:05 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Trust me-----if you go to a place like Nigeria, you would greatly miss the Good Old USA, warts and all!

but what if i wish we were as good as canada or sweden?



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12 Mar 2020, 5:40 am

^ i could see living in either country if there were no winter. :D

But seriously, I sympathize greatly with the OP. This is now not the country I grew up thinking it was. It was embarrassing at first, say 20 years ago. Now it is crushingly frightening.


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12 Mar 2020, 5:42 am

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^ i could see living in either country if there were no winter. :D

But seriously, I sympathize greatly with the OP. This is now not the country I grew up thinking it was. It was embarrassing at first, say 20 years ago. Now it is crushingly frightening.

the southern part of BC is comparable to western washington in its weather. temperate with generally mild winters, not often freezing.



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12 Mar 2020, 7:46 am

auntblabby wrote:
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^ i could see living in either country if there were no winter. :D

But seriously, I sympathize greatly with the OP. This is now not the country I grew up thinking it was. It was embarrassing at first, say 20 years ago. Now it is crushingly frightening.

the southern part of BC is comparable to western washington in its weather. temperate with generally mild winters, not often freezing.


But can you grow mangos there???
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12 Mar 2020, 7:52 am

Nigeria doesn’t have bad people. If you go there as a tourist, Nigerians are usually very accommodating, and look out for you (from many reports).

However, living in Nigeria would be a nightmare. Power cuts every day. Officials putting up roadblocks on highways to ask for bribes. Monstrous traffic jams and monstrous bureaucracy Things like that.



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12 Mar 2020, 8:23 am

blazingstar wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
^ i could see living in either country if there were no winter. :D

But seriously, I sympathize greatly with the OP. This is now not the country I grew up thinking it was. It was embarrassing at first, say 20 years ago. Now it is crushingly frightening.

the southern part of BC is comparable to western washington in its weather. temperate with generally mild winters, not often freezing.


But can you grow mangos there???
:lol: :lol: :lol:

mebbe in a greenhouse? :idea:



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12 Mar 2020, 9:49 am

It's probably difficult to grow mangoes in a climate where there's more than a couple of frosts/freezes every winter. Probably Zone 9, at the lowest.



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12 Mar 2020, 11:35 am

I think it's worth pointing out that it's 'our' country. Sometimes you win, sometimes I win. That's my definition of democracy. Some elections my voice is heard, some elections your voice is heard. I didn't recognize "our" country during the Obama presidency, but I accepted that you won. When the next election came round I voted and my candidate won. You are acting the same way I acted when Obama was in office, the big difference is that Republicans didn't try to overturn your vote. Democrats would overturn my vote if they could... Republicans behaved similarly with Bill Clinton. I wasn't much into politics when he was in office, it's only recently that I have paid attention to the similarities. The exception was that Bill Clinton was actually caught in a lie, but the thing with Monica Lewinsky was no different than JFK's escapades. They were both womanizers, Bill should've just said, "yes, I did it." End of story, imo.

I don't know how old you are, not that it matters. But I'm noticing a trend in the folks 30 and under. They believe their progressive ideas are the best, across the board. And because they think that, they think they should win all the time. It doesn't work that way for the vast majority of us. We win some, we lose some.

It's not a lifetime sentence. The behavior is galvanizing the conservatives so that they will vote contrary to your wishes AGAIN. If Democrats would have just shut up about it, they might've re-thought their vote. But because so many seem to believe that their way is the only way, you've inadvertently brought about the very thing you hate.

I've said this so many times, but still there are the railing sjws, the cage shakers, etc... :skull:


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12 Mar 2020, 8:31 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Hyperpartisanship is a big problem. Anyone who isn't a right-wing or left-wing populist is considered a RINO or DINO, and can't make it past the primaries, and those who do survive the primaries lose in the general election because they get lumped in with the extremist populists by the other party. Even Susan Collins is struggling, and Doug Jones is likely to be voted out.

I don't know what the DNC's stance is on Bernie, and the RNC is purposely keeping Bill Weld out of many states' ballots or canceling primaries altogether.


Well, "for every action there is an equal and opposing reaction".

And the "RINOs" are really the other guys driving the speed limit.