Does the heterogeneity of autism undermine the neurodiversit

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The trouble is Carlos spreads his net far too wide in condemning the ND movement . Most of the ND community are sensible people . They're not in denial about the debilitating effect of severe autism . Their main criticism,as far as I can tell, is over how help and support is provided for those at the severe end of the spectrum .

I've already expressed on here the fact I don't believe that for everyone ASD will really hold up as a diagnosis in the future, anyways. There's too many genes and traits associated with it for everyone who currently has an ASD diagnosis to just have the same exact disorder, especially with how vast the spectrum is. There very well could be people who have "autism" that are just technically what people call "neurodiverse". The heterogeneity of autism might be the actual problem here and it should be looked into more, which it seems like it is.

Seems like some people are unable to answer a basic question- is the social disability model Adequate for John yes or no

Instead they blow a fuse, does not compute like putting a play station game in an Xbox everything crashes.

All that’s left is to attack a person’s character call them a troll, hater ism etc etc etc... rather than the viewpoint or give a proper logical answer which is a common avoidance trick.

Actions have consequences.

In the Uk like nearly all countries you need money to survive, if you can’t earn it you have to get it from the gov.

The gov gives money to you under 2 circumstances in the US I believe it’s a lot harsher:-

1. You are unemployed, capable of work and can prove you are looking for a job if you can’t prove that you are cut off from money

2. You are disabled and can prove you are disabled i.e you have a medical condition like severe autism

In the UK the gov tried to reduce its welfare bill by assessing disabled people harshly as “fit to work” some of these were autistic.

The result and you can ask anyone from the UK or google is many we’re left destitute and killed themselves.

There’s lots of Johns on the streets also who slipped through the net. Someone prob thought they weren’t disabled enough.

So facts matter like severe autism being real, read and learn

https://www.ncsautism.org/blog//abnormal-neurobiology


Despite my limitations from my aspie diagnosis I have never shyed away from any truth however difficult.

Uh-huh. And I'm proud of you.


You've already led this thread's topic in question astray.
But oh yes. I definitely agree actions have consequences.


The rest of the post? Eh.. Why say are you still saying all this?

What does the UK's system had anything to do with the autistic heterogeneity endangering the foundations of neurodiversity??

Isn't UK too busy with the pandemic, like any countries do too?
Sorry, I'm at the short end of the stick here. I don't even live in UK.


Good luck. With... Whatever you're pinning.
I hope you can help homeless LFAs, desperate parents, or whatever you want to do favors with humanity.

I can't take you seriously anymore.

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The learning curve on autism is just beginning,just look at how wrong people were about autism even in the 1980's.

There are people alive who remember the day's of refrigerator mother theory,they used to say autistic people never make eye contact,they used to say no autistic person could ever speak.

It is so so to soon to make any absolute judgements on the truth's of autism because we still know so little,we have come a lifetime since I was diagnosed in 1989 but there is a lifetime left to go.Maybe I sound glib and pseudo philosophical but I believe it's true that there is much to learn.The neurodiverse and the cure/medicalists are just pending theory's and are not yet proven.

You and other advocates still never answered the question -

is the social model of disability model ND promotes enough for John?

How does it improve his life on a day to day basis?

Is he disabled in the physical brain sense not just discriminated against?

I’m beginning to feel like one of those interviewing a politician

Avoidance Avoidance I wonder why

I didn't even know there was an 'Autism Politics' section till the thread got moved to there.

The WP quoting function hasn’t worked on my new iPhone since I got it & don’t always have access to pc.

But was directing question to ND advocates in general.

Some people grossly inflate the discrimination element of severe autism and grossly trivialize and whitewash the oppressive life destroying symptoms at the same time to make them appear of equal value. They are not.

Bellow is the Neurodiversity paradigm from Wikipedia I’ll break it down:

The neurodiversity paradigm is a view of autism as a different way of being rather than as a disease or disorder that must be cured.

So no research for a cure for John guess that means no biological treatment research too to make him more functional and give him a better life, although he does get a little flag to wave once a year on autism day when he might get taken out in front of the cameras. What more could he want?

[40][42] Autistic people are considered to have neurocognitive differences[34] which give them distinct strengths and weaknesses, and are capable of succeeding when appropriately accommodated and supported.

Well John can’t speak, work, poor memory, can’t live on his own guess a girlfriend is a no no too. Difficult to see anything that replaces hard bio research that can help him achieve anything in his life which is likely to end a lot earlier by stats

[40][42] Efforts to eliminate autism should not be compared, for example, to curing cancer but instead to the antiquated notion of curing left-handedness.[43]

Probably the most absurd comparison out there. They seem to believe being incarcerated for the rest of your life in an institution as mentally disabled is the same as being left handed

If little old me and many other autistics can see the absurdities in this I wonder what gov and top scientific minds will make of it.

By the way Edna when gov get involved with ND it’s disability opportunities they are promoting. ND is just a catchy word for it. They are not promoting the paradigm for reasons given.

Autism will never be de-Disabalised the severe end will remain like cartoon cat Toms finger on Jerrys tail in Tom and Jerry. It’s not going anywhere.