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01 Aug 2020, 4:31 am

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Lockdowns are the ONLY thing any government can do until we get a vaccine that works.
EVERYONE hates the lockdown, but there is no alternative.
This disease/virus is deadly, is airborne, is affecting EVERYONE.
Where I am(America, California), many stores are going out of business and entire chains are declaring bankruptcy.
The Emergency Rooms are screening patients OUTSIDE the doors; those with possible/probable Covid are treated in a tent.
Seriously.
What the media says about this virus is true; it is bad.
I truly sympathize with your feelings, but driving a bus can expose you; if you are at home, getting an unemployment check, at least you are safe.




Is all this really worth it for a virus with such a comparatively low death rate and that up to 80% of those who test positive not having symptoms?

There are, and have been in the past too, numerous viruses etc that didn't disrupt society to this extent. We are still on a slightly reduced lockdown in my country and while I don't mind wearing a mask to the shopping malls and stores etc, I disapprove of the remaining lockdown regulations - no sporting events such as road races (sport builds people's morale and should be encouraged), no gyms open yet, no inter provincial leisure travel (business only), curfew from 10 p m... and many others all irrelevant to the virus.

The government shouldn't be deciding on citizens' behalf.


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01 Aug 2020, 6:13 am

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Is all this really worth it for a virus with such a comparatively low death rate and that up to 80% of those who test positive not having symptoms?

There are, and have been in the past too, numerous viruses etc that didn't disrupt society to this extent.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

I mean, how come there wasn't a global lockdown with ebola or swine flu?


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01 Aug 2020, 6:23 am

The only real difference is that this is more contagious thus more people landed up getting it. But its nowhere near the death rate of the fictional virus in the movie Contagion. Not even close.


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01 Aug 2020, 7:51 am

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I don't think counselling will help. I've had counselling before and it didn't help.


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It all started when they started letting people go back to the pub. Alchohol making people do stupid things and young kids thinking theyre invincible is the problem.


There seems to be COVID cases among people that go to pubs, which is no surprise because pubs are social places so it's hard to sit 6 feet away when you want to drink and talk with your friends. People get close to each other without realizing, especially when they've had a few drinks.

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Dont kill yourself though, it WILL all be over within a year or so, theyre fast tracking all vaccination research because they know its wrecking the economy and they cant allow that. One day this will all be just a bad memory. Like the blitz was to people in the 40s, or 9/11 hysteria in the noughties.


I hope so. I just get so panicked when people say that this is the beginning of a new era and that nothing will ever be the same as it was before 2020. Others say that we are definitely going to have another spike of COVID and that it will become twice as deadly this winter. That worries me.

I know there is no cure yet but I'd have thought in this day and age there would be something to lessen the symptoms and help more vulnerable people recover instead of die. They're giving out vaccinations for flu and pneumonia (my boyfriend had one last week) which I know isn't a cure for COVID but a lot of COVID cases turns to pneumonia which is what kills people. Also they were talking about a pill that is cheap and can ease the build-up of infection in the lungs, like an antihistamine. But I haven't heard about that since.



To be honest it most likely will change the world permanently, but thats not necessarily a bad thing. I can see the use of face masks becoming a new normal in this country, which i think is great. People in asian countries have been wearing them when theyre sick, to stop other people catching their colds and flu for decades, always thought that should be a common courtesy that people do everywhere. Also I bet peoples general personal hygeine will be much better even after everythin goes back to normal.


I hope not on the mask thing. It's taken social transition to make me feel as if I'm not breaking social norms by not wearing clingy stuff on my face as an adult. I'm prepared to do the mask while the virus is here but I refuse to do it after that.

Joe I hope things improve for you. Hopefully the 'new normal' can recognise different needs including some people's needs to be offline and out of the house, as well as some of our needs to be in the house & left alone but still capable of working.


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01 Aug 2020, 2:30 pm

I don’t want another vaccine in my body! That may do more harm than good! If everyone stick to the rules or lock down sooner it would’ve died out! Plus now we know for a fact the heat doesn’t kill it off. Still spreading



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01 Aug 2020, 5:28 pm

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To be honest it most likely will change the world permanently, but thats not necessarily a bad thing. I can see the use of face masks becoming a new normal in this country, which i think is great. People in asian countries have been wearing them when theyre sick, to stop other people catching their colds and flu for decades, always thought that should be a common courtesy that people do everywhere. Also I bet peoples general personal hygeine will be much better even after everythin goes back to normal.


I don't mind the mask thing, like if it became socially acceptable to wear a mask in public after the COVID crisis, but not to be forced, just recommended if you or your household has a cold or stomach bug. If something is socially acceptable, more people are inclined to do it.

But the thought of our lifestyles never being the same as what is was before 2020 does upset me. I hate it when people say "better get used to it, everything will change from now on". I AM used to it, but that doesn't mean I like it or want it to continue forever. I find the rules and restrictions stressful at airports which is why I avoid flying (I have flown before), and I do not want to have to get used to such restrictions in every shop too.
And then everyone will become germophobes, and will end up shutting themselves up in a cardboard box with a gas mask on. And that's no life at all. I'd rather go out, have fun, enjoy life, and risk catching a virus that I will most likely recover from. Who knows? I might get COVID twice and recover successfully, then be diagnosed with cancer 5 years down the line and be told I only have 6 weeks to live. You just don't know.


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01 Aug 2020, 11:57 pm

You're right. I want to participate in road races again, and we could always have self service at the refreshment tables rather than have folk physically handing them out they can just sit behind the table to see that no unauthorized people steal them! Other sport should start up too because it builds morale and makes people feel better. Virtual races using Strava isn't the same and I don't even have space on my cheap smartphone to use it.

Cultural activities such as using the libraries, zoos and aquariums need also start up. The animals and marine creatures are apparently missing their accustomed interaction with humans apart from their keepers!


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02 Aug 2020, 12:17 am

Melbourne and the state of Victoria is entering stage 4 lockdown so we are unable to move 5km from out house and can only enter shops between restricted hours.

Shopping malls, schools and workplaces closed again :roll:



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02 Aug 2020, 4:52 am

^Why is that? Hasn't the peak been reached yet?

It's so dumb for the government to restrict personal freedom like that.


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03 Aug 2020, 12:56 am

envirozentinel wrote:
^Why is that? Hasn't the peak been reached yet?

It's so dumb for the government to restrict personal freedom like that.


Unfortunately our state government allowed travellers to move around instead of forced self-isolation.



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03 Aug 2020, 1:25 am

Doesn't really make a big difference if people are travelling back and forth between states that all have cases of the virus. Here, they haven't allowed inter provincial travel yet, but since there are thousands of cases in all 9 provinces it seems kinda silly. We'll hopefully peak soon and level out the curve.


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03 Aug 2020, 3:26 am

envirozentinel wrote:
Doesn't really make a big difference if people are travelling back and forth between states that all have cases of the virus. Here, they haven't allowed inter provincial travel yet, but since there are thousands of cases in all 9 provinces it seems kinda silly. We'll hopefully peak soon and level out the curve.


The significant proportion of the new cases are now community transmission so its untraceable.

Latest is that all retail is closed and we are allowed 1hr each day to exercise and 1hr outside to buy groceries.

No meat as abattoirs are closing so people have stockpiled meat, fish and chicken.

Refugees trying to escape our state's borders are being arrested.



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03 Aug 2020, 11:41 am

^New Zealand handled the crisis a lot better. Full marks to their PM!

Some really draconian regulations you mention there, similar to what we had in level 5. Seems more like an attempt by state government to see how hard they can crack the whip.

The lucky non-vegetarian folk will be those farmers who can do their own slaughtering and prepping.


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05 Aug 2020, 2:12 pm

I was enjoying lockdown except for the people who thought that cos pubs were shut it was a good idea to go to the park and get drunk there & there were hundreds of them doing drugs & drinking just up the street from me.

I hope it ends up good for everyone with less judgement. For people who need to be in more as well as those who need to get out and about.


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05 Aug 2020, 8:43 pm

People in Asian countries have the biggest pollution too but it shouldn't be the norm. I like that idea though of only those that are sick, to wear a mask. Hopefully this has made people more hygienic. I used hand sanitises before it became a thing

Great point joe90! we don't know what tomorrow brings,i think they should at airports,only accept at the moment passports and working permits. Non essential travel should be put on hold. Only importing/exporting.
still wished it died out and people did locked down sooner and people abided, if they did that temporarily , less would've died and this wouldn't be a more permanent problem



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05 Aug 2020, 9:01 pm

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^New Zealand handled the crisis a lot better. Full marks to their PM!

Some really draconian regulations you mention there, similar to what we had in level 5. Seems more like an attempt by state government to see how hard they can crack the whip.

The lucky non-vegetarian folk will be those farmers who can do their own slaughtering and prepping.


NZ is a much smaller country with less international traffic and much easier to manage and quarantine compared to Australia. Despite the praise I understand the NZ public are likely to dump Jacinda Ardern.