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08 Dec 2020, 7:52 am

You're right, it's not necessarily hate.
Just lack of respect.


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08 Dec 2020, 8:15 am

It’s more like “scorn” to me.

A scornful lack of respect. That’s how I experience being called “ret*d.”



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08 Dec 2020, 1:23 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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We should get off of the Euphemism Treadmill. Staying on it just lets bullies win again and again. Better to reappropriated terms as the LBGTQIA community did with "queer" .


I see so (for example) stop using neutral language like "special needs" and go back to saying "r___ted"?

Getting off the treadmill does not mean going back before getting off. It just means stop doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result.

That said if enough people claim it as positive I would think that is a good thing.


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08 Dec 2020, 1:27 pm

No.

People are insulting, they will continue to invent new insults.


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08 Dec 2020, 2:27 pm

Yes, they will.....but I believe in the "sticks and stones" philosophy.

Almost always, if someone calls me an insult, they have no idea what I am about. People insult others because they just feel like being insulting (i.e., it has nothing to do with YOU, per se).



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08 Dec 2020, 2:37 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Yes, they will.....but I believe in the "sticks and stones" philosophy.

Almost always, if someone calls me an insult, they have no idea what I am about. People insult others because they just feel like being insulting (i.e., it has nothing to do with YOU, per se).


That's not always true, if someone perceives me as rude and calls me an a**hole, that most certainly has to do with me. One shouldn't build a defence mechanism against insults that's so impermeable they no longer consider that their actions and attitudes might play a role.

If one person calls you an a**hole, maybe you are, maybe you're not.
If everyone calls you an a**hole, you're most likely an a**hole.


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08 Dec 2020, 2:41 pm

Sometimes, people just call other people a**holes just for the hell of it.

Yes....sometimes a person might "deserve" being called an a**hole.

I've been called thousands of things----none of which were true! I am speaking from experience.



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08 Dec 2020, 3:07 pm

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Sometimes, people just call other people as*holes just for the hell of it.

Yes....sometimes a person might "deserve" being called an as*hole.

I've been called thousands of things----none of which were true! I am speaking from experience.


I agree, sometimes people insult for no good reason, but that said;
you've never been insulted when you were in the wrong? Really, never?


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08 Dec 2020, 3:10 pm

Sure----obviously that's happened. But that has happened rarely. I'm not a really good person----but I'm not a really bad person, either. I'm pretty boring (no, this isn't false modesty). This is why I'm flummoxed as to why I was insulted so much as a young person.

Please refer to the post previous to my previous post----where I said "ALMOST always" : - )



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08 Dec 2020, 3:13 pm

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Sure----obviously that's happened. But that has happened rarely. I'm not a really good person----but I'm not a really bad person, either. I'm pretty boring. This is why I'm flummoxed as to why I was insulted so much as a young person.

Please refer to the post previous to my previous post----where I said "ALMOST always" : - )


I'm not doubting you're a good person, I'm sure it's quite rare (since you don't ever appear to behave in such a manner), even if NYC is stereotyped as using 'hey watch it a**hole' as the standard greeting. :lol:

I'm sure that's an exaggeration though.


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08 Dec 2020, 3:18 pm

New Yorkers are actually quite friendly in Manhattan----but they tend to be standoffish, clannish, paranoid, etc. in the Outer Boroughs. Very similar to most other locales in the US.

If one goes to a "gentrified" area (usually in Manhattan or Brooklyn), one runs into lots of "surface friendliness."

There are parts of Queens where Trump won, believe it or not (even though Biden carried Queens by about a 4-1 margin). In these areas, "political correctness" is out the window---and people are routinely called "ret*d," etc. (especially online).



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08 Dec 2020, 3:29 pm

I'm not sure: but I think this is a New York expression:

"If you're not going to s**t, get off the pot!"



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08 Dec 2020, 3:43 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm not sure: but I think this is a New York expression:

"If you're not going to s**t, get off the pot!"

You made my evening :lol:


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08 Dec 2020, 5:53 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
We should get off of the Euphemism Treadmill. Staying on it just lets bullies win again and again. Better to reappropriated terms as the LBGTQIA community did with "queer" .


I see so (for example) stop using neutral language like "special needs" and go back to saying "r___ted"?

Getting off the treadmill does not mean going back before getting off. It just means stop doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result.

That said if enough people claim it as positive I would think that is a good thing.


The problem with governments prescribing when (and when not) to use particular language that's already in convention is that the speed which change happens today on social media makes it impossible to stop.

I am sure they will keep coming up with new terms for the disabled or for LGTBQI people. Meanwhile the insult/slurs will keep being generated.