Morality isn't the law
... or the result of being a murder mystery author, as is Liz in our local creative writers group.
Hmm depends on the someone...
A character would be murder mystery author. A general 'someone' would be a murder mystery author.
Someone you dislike is disturbing though haha.
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That's a thing I've never understood; for instance, name one person on this planet who isn't a member of the human race.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood
Now *that* is morally questionable…
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I'm generally of the opinion that law was created by and for those with power and wealth. Take fines as a punishment; if you're rich, no problem, you can afford to drop as much litter as you like. Want to murder someone? If you're rich you can afford a much better lawyer who is more likely to get you away with it. I don't quite understand the whole bail thing but it seems that you can pay lots of money to spend less time in jail. In what world is any of that justice? That's before we've even got into having friends in power to cover up for you and racism in the poilce. I do think the law would be better if it was more morally focused.
Obviously these days there is a lot more to the law that actually benefits "regular" people and I'm just writing from the point of view of someone British who doesn't know a lot about living in other countries.
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I realize that in some countries, laws are created by religion while in the US, laws are created mostly to protect people. Very few is by religion eg. capital punishment, gay marriage ban, abortion.
Sometimes I say laws shouldn't even need to be created but because so many people are POS or lack common sense, laws needs to be made.
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"Christian" morality dictates that religion and the belief in G^D is vital to a strong nation; which is all well and good insofar as Jesus' "Love your G^D/Love your Neighbor" teachings are concerned. However, Republicans are generally accepting only of the Old Testament "Christian" belief system, which forms the basis for a lot of harsh and divisive policies. For most Republicans, religion is absolutely vital in their political beliefs and the two cannot be separated; therefore, separation of church and state is not important to them, and they tend to believe that much of what is wrong in America has been caused by too much secularism and religious pluralism.
Take their claim that evolution is not a legitimate science: Republicans tend to reject the theory of evolution and believe in creationism, the idea that G^D created man the way he is, and that any fossil evidence to the contrary was either placed there by Satan or fabricated by scientists to disprove the existence of G^D. Republicans also tend to believe creationism should be taught in public schools.
The belief that homosexuals do not deserve equal rights also comes from their religious beliefs. Republicans tend to believe that homosexuality is a choice and, as such, gay people should not be acknowledged in the same way as other groups. Therefore, according to a Republican, homosexuals should not be allowed to marry, nor should they be allowed to adopt children.
Another "Morality-Based" belief is that abortion is murder, and therefor it is evil (however, they also tend to believe that capital punishment is both necessary and good -- try to figure THAT one out). Republicans are fundamentally against abortion and do not support the idea that women should be able to choose whether to end a pregnancy no matter the reason, or that any adult woman can do what she wants with her own body. Although Republicans believe abortion is murder and believe Roe v Wade should be overturned, they do not usually explain what punishment should befall those who get or give abortions should it become illegal (unless it is capital punishment, again).
Yet another "Morality-Based" belief many Republicans hold dear is that poor people are usually poor for a reason, be it laziness, choice, genetic predisposition, or whatever. They tend to believe also that unless people pull themselves up by the bootstraps and solve their own problems, people will not be motivated to do things. Therefore, the issue of poverty cannot be solved by the government, and charity should be the choice of individuals.*
Finally, Republicans tend to believe that capital punishment is both necessary and good. Many support its use not only in cases where violent crimes (i.e., assault, murder, rape, et cetera) have been committed, but in cases where a person's ethnicity or partisanship may be called into question.
All of this derives from a distorted view of Old-Testament "Christianity".
(*For the record, I believe that those who can solve their own problems should solve their own problems; and that for the rest, government intervention and support is needed.)
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There are things that I do that I consider perfectly moral - but they would go against someone else’ moral code.
Sometimes people say “that’s immoral!” but often don’t stop to think about the fact that it’s immoral to them, but maybe not to others or the person doing the thing.
Maybe it's because I come from a lit background but I see that as just an opinion.
A decent opinion would be stacked up again with a 'why'.
Nothing wrong with giving a 'this is my opinion because...'
In literary analysis as with in moral analysis, people often forget (or in essays: omit on purpose because you're not supposed to say 'I' which is actually encouraging arrogance imo...) to place the words 'in my opinion' into things. But it should go without saying.
Problem is if you're someone like me whose anxious subconscious mind, not higher order mind but 'fear of being judged mind', internalises everyone else's morality. But that's a mental illness problem - we cannot dictate ethics based upon that.
You think that it is merely my Opinion that different moral codes exist and that two different people could view their own lives as perfectly moral and the others actions & ways as immoral?
It’s not opinion. It’s fact. Different people have different moral codes that guide their lives. Others do not have the same moral codes as them. Both/all believe they are living a moral life & none are wrong, just different.
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Take their claim that evolution is not a legitimate science: Republicans tend to reject the theory of evolution and believe in creationism, the idea that G^D created man the way he is, and that any fossil evidence to the contrary was either placed there by Satan or fabricated by scientists to disprove the existence of G^D. Republicans also tend to believe creationism should be taught in public schools.
The belief that homosexuals do not deserve equal rights also comes from their religious beliefs. Republicans tend to believe that homosexuality is a choice and, as such, gay people should not be acknowledged in the same way as other groups. Therefore, according to a Republican, homosexuals should not be allowed to marry, nor should they be allowed to adopt children.
Another "Morality-Based" belief is that abortion is murder, and therefor it is evil (however, they also tend to believe that capital punishment is both necessary and good -- try to figure THAT one out). Republicans are fundamentally against abortion and do not support the idea that women should be able to choose whether to end a pregnancy no matter the reason, or that any adult woman can do what she wants with her own body. Although Republicans believe abortion is murder and believe Roe v Wade should be overturned, they do not usually explain what punishment should befall those who get or give abortions should it become illegal (unless it is capital punishment, again).
Yet another "Morality-Based" belief many Republicans hold dear is that poor people are usually poor for a reason, be it laziness, choice, genetic predisposition, or whatever. They tend to believe also that unless people pull themselves up by the bootstraps and solve their own problems, people will not be motivated to do things. Therefore, the issue of poverty cannot be solved by the government, and charity should be the choice of individuals.*
Finally, Republicans tend to believe that capital punishment is both necessary and good. Many support its use not only in cases where violent crimes (i.e., assault, murder, rape, et cetera) have been committed, but in cases where a person's ethnicity or partisanship may be called into question.
All of this derives from a distorted view of Old-Testament "Christianity".
(*For the record, I believe that those who can solve their own problems should solve their own problems; and that for the rest, government intervention and support is needed.)
The right is guilty of selectively reading the OT, as compassion for the poor is clearly taught. Among the legalistic nonsense of breaking jars that a menstruating woman might touch, and forbidding the mixture of different textiles, there is clearly the instruction to allow the poor to collect and eat wheat from the fields alongside the roads, and the rich are condemned for oppressing the poor.
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"Morality Isn't The Law"
This is So True as i often
Hear Participating as An
Anthropology Observer
In A Catholic Church From the
Back Pew And in Interviewing Various
Participants Both the Leaders and the
Subjects As Also Purported From the Pulpit
That A State Will Not Survive Unless It Abides By 'God's Law'
So What Is 'God's Law'; It comes From Places Like Leviticus
That Promulgate 'the Evil Belief' That There is Something Wrong
With Homosexual Nature as the Science of Nature, if ya Wanna Go as
Far as Naming Nature God's Face Clearly Shows that Homosexual Nature
Is Just Part of Nature to Keep
It Balanced When Stress
Comes For Subsistence
And Reproduction Naturally
Is Innately, Instinctually, Moderated
Down through Stress Hormones in the Womb;
True Don't Stress A Pregnant Woman Out if Ya
Want Lots of Grandchildren Later to come And Oh
My Gosh If You Really Don't Want More of Your Neighbors
To Be Injured And Suffer Permanent Disability And Die even More In Misery
And Suffering You Have to understand that Abortion is Also part of Nature too; God Yes
it Plays a Role In Reducing Reproduction When Subsistence Stresses Are Part of Our Human
Nature Together too... Sure, 'You' May one day outlaw it in Paperwork through the Ignorance
of 'so-Called Morality' That Believes in a Golden Rule that Others Must Live Their Life the way
You Do; Or You Will Develop
Cognitive Empathy By
Associating With Folks
Who Have Different Challenges
That 'You' Do Not Have Or Additionally Darkness
Of the Soul Where Affective Empathy is Also Cold
Lacking Neurohormones Like Oxytocin Just Never Wired
That Way as A Reflection of an Old Testament Tribal God
Often Through Social Neglect, Exclusions, And Abuse Still
That Sentences Those Who Offend Us to Death Sadly Is still 'Their'
Way of Protesting Life and Forgetting All about the Sanctity of BREaTHING
LiFE NoW No Different really that 'Going Unmasked on 5th Avenue' Declaring
A New Old Testament Savior the 'Color of Trump' Where Again Might Makes
Right and
Morality
Means
The Right
To Kill the Enemy
And Even ironically
Burn Forever the one who doesn't
Help the Able Bodied Homeless
Person on the Side of the Street Who
Has an Invisible Disability of Mental Illness
That Folks cannot even Fathom Exists in Hell Now or Then...
Yet Again Square Root Problem one Resurfaces Per Science too...
Humans are Evolved By Nature Still to Live in Relatively Small Homogenous
Groups; Social Science Shows, the 20 Most Peaceful Societies Live This Way More by
Cooperation in Bartering Goods And Services, Freely Working Hand-in-Hand for Real;
Yes A Much More Peaceful Than A Way of Competition that sets Us apart instead of Together
And Other than
That Neuroscience
Shows We Basically
Hallucinate Our Reality
As We Go Based on what
We Create of Reality within
This Way from Before So Where
'Do You Go to Escape All The Insanity'
in Church When They Say the Country Will
Die if It Doesn't Follow God's Laws Well You
Thank 'God of Nature' For the Founding Fathers
Who Made A State Written in Stone A Constitution
Understanding the Fallibility of Human Nature and
Understanding Without Order Anything Will Replace
Anything For Whatever Humans Create as Dreams
Or Nightmares on Earth Now as Humans Will
Bond over Trump
Or Over
More Golden
Age Ways of Caring
Empathy Understanding
The Differences of Others More;
Yet You See This is what Open Minds
Do and that is part of Nature True some
Folks Just Can't
Stand
Change
in fact some
Folks Are Disgusted
By Anything that does
Not Resemble a Very Closed
Minded Religion of Group Think
That Indeed May Lead to Insurrections
And Killing At a Capitol; Even More SadlY, All in the
Name
of Lesser
God's Than
Those Who Study
What Works for Love
With Least Harm for All..
Similar to the way the Founding
Fathers See it still Written in Stone
of Constitutional Law; A Greater Religion
For a More Perfect Union As there really
Isn't Much
Difference
Tween Politics,
Religion, Suits,
And Golden Robes;
Yet Some Rule by Truth Others by Lies
And of course It depends on Who Views What Now,
On Whether or Not 'Lou Costello' is on 'First, Second, or Third Base'...
If Anything Else Now, The Trump MeMe THeME Experience Shows
that 'Post Modernism Rules'
An Oxymoron
unto
Itself
Yet Again
Thanks for more
'Orderly Sane Minds'
It Allows FLoWeRS to Bloom so much Greater
Not Having to Deal with Ignorance of 'Capitol Murders'...
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If they ever would, I wouldn't be the least surprised.
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