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26 Jan 2021, 8:50 pm
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More proof, please. I don't trust this video.
If you'll do more research, you'll realize it was the blm/antifa people who caused the trouble, not Trump supporters. And President Trump (no, I don't accept Biden as the president) most certainly did not incite anyone to do this.
If you'll do more research, you'll realize it was the blm/antifa people who caused the trouble, not Trump supporters. And President Trump (no, I don't accept Biden as the president) most certainly did not incite anyone to do this.
Ok, now that I’ve caught my breath:
What’s untrustworthy about this video? It’s edited together, but nothing looks like CGI or like it’s been voiced over. It contains trump’s actual words and actions as well as those of his supporters that attempted a violent overthrow of the US government.
What evidence is there that BLM/antifa did this? And what would their motivation be?
This meme sums up how ridiculous that sounds:
Doesn’t matter whether you accept Biden as POTUS or not, he is in fact the duly elected 46th President of the United States of America and is indeed your president.The only trouble with claiming that trump did not incite anyone to do this is that he’s on video inciting people to do this..
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26 Jan 2021, 9:19 pm
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26 Jan 2021, 10:13 pm
Brictoria wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s pretty obvious Trump, Giuliani, et al incited the crowd to storm the Capitol.
Had the majority of the crowd participated, I'd certainly be inclined to agree.
However, given the FBI believe it was planned by some before the speech, coupled with the fact that the majority of the target audience (his supporters there) did not understand the words in that way (It is mainly those opposed to him who have that interpretation), I don't believe that was their intention...
Since when is a crowd of people required to have 100%, or even a majority, of them be dumb enough to get violent for an instigator to have incited the violence?
Never. Only when some trump supporter is trying to twist reality to fit their narrative that trump can do no wrong.
In reality, Paretos Law always applies. It’s always the vital few vs trivial many. It’s the few (hundred or so) bad apples that stormed the building & got violent and murdery that are the problem. Just because MOST people in attendance didn’t do a terrorism doesn’t mean the ones that did weren’t incited by the orange guy to do so. Facts.
They travelled across the country with tactical gear, a variety of weapons, pipe bombs, riot cuffs, body armour... yeah, they were just coming for a sit in. 
Their intentions were violence on behalf of, in defence of, their cult leader mr. trump. Clearly!
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26 Jan 2021, 10:29 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s pretty obvious Trump, Giuliani, et al incited the crowd to storm the Capitol.
Had the majority of the crowd participated, I'd certainly be inclined to agree.
However, given the FBI believe it was planned by some before the speech, coupled with the fact that the majority of the target audience (his supporters there) did not understand the words in that way (It is mainly those opposed to him who have that interpretation), I don't believe that was their intention...
Since when is a crowd of people required to have 100%, or even a majority, of them be dumb enough to get violent for an instigator to have incited the violence?
Never. Only when some trump supporter is trying to twist reality to fit their narrative that trump can do no wrong.
In reality, Paretos Law always applies. It’s always the vital few vs trivial many. It’s the few (hundred or so) bad apples that stormed the building & got violent and murdery that are the problem. Just because MOST people in attendance didn’t do a terrorism doesn’t mean the ones that did weren’t incited by the orange guy to do so. Facts.
They travelled across the country with tactical gear, a variety of weapons, pipe bombs, riot cuffs, body armour... yeah, they were just coming for a sit in. There intentions were violence on behalf of, in defence of, their cult leader mr. trump. Clearly!So, just to clarify what you are saying here: He incited them, through a speech 1-2 miles from where the event occurred, to take instant action (that the FBI stated was planned days\weeks in advance) using the items they had packed and transported to the location before the speech was given?
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26 Jan 2021, 10:49 pm
Brictoria wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s pretty obvious Trump, Giuliani, et al incited the crowd to storm the Capitol.
Had the majority of the crowd participated, I'd certainly be inclined to agree.
However, given the FBI believe it was planned by some before the speech, coupled with the fact that the majority of the target audience (his supporters there) did not understand the words in that way (It is mainly those opposed to him who have that interpretation), I don't believe that was their intention...
Since when is a crowd of people required to have 100%, or even a majority, of them be dumb enough to get violent for an instigator to have incited the violence?
Never. Only when some trump supporter is trying to twist reality to fit their narrative that trump can do no wrong.
In reality, Paretos Law always applies. It’s always the vital few vs trivial many. It’s the few (hundred or so) bad apples that stormed the building & got violent and murdery that are the problem. Just because MOST people in attendance didn’t do a terrorism doesn’t mean the ones that did weren’t incited by the orange guy to do so. Facts.
They travelled across the country with tactical gear, a variety of weapons, pipe bombs, riot cuffs, body armour... yeah, they were just coming for a sit in. There intentions were violence on behalf of, in defence of, their cult leader mr. trump. Clearly!So, just to clarify what you are saying here: He incited them, through a speech 1-2 miles from where the event occurred, to take instant action (that the FBI stated was planned days\weeks in advance) using the items they had packed and transported to the location before the speech was given?
Yes.
Yes, he incited them via his speech down the road from the capitol and instructed them to march to the capitol and “fight like hell.” That part is crystal clear.
He Also encouraged all of this crap in the weeks leading up to it, too, and I do hope that is also taken into account. That’s why these people showed up armed and angry - trump and his people winding them up and telling them to come to the capitol and fight on trump’s behalf.
Do they not show or print the news in Australia?
All of this garbage has been all over the internet here for weeks.
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27 Jan 2021, 12:48 am
27 Jan 2021, 4:19 am
goldfish21 wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s pretty obvious Trump, Giuliani, et al incited the crowd to storm the Capitol.
Had the majority of the crowd participated, I'd certainly be inclined to agree.
However, given the FBI believe it was planned by some before the speech, coupled with the fact that the majority of the target audience (his supporters there) did not understand the words in that way (It is mainly those opposed to him who have that interpretation), I don't believe that was their intention...
Since when is a crowd of people required to have 100%, or even a majority, of them be dumb enough to get violent for an instigator to have incited the violence?
Never. Only when some trump supporter is trying to twist reality to fit their narrative that trump can do no wrong.
In reality, Paretos Law always applies. It’s always the vital few vs trivial many. It’s the few (hundred or so) bad apples that stormed the building & got violent and murdery that are the problem. Just because MOST people in attendance didn’t do a terrorism doesn’t mean the ones that did weren’t incited by the orange guy to do so. Facts.
They travelled across the country with tactical gear, a variety of weapons, pipe bombs, riot cuffs, body armour... yeah, they were just coming for a sit in. There intentions were violence on behalf of, in defence of, their cult leader mr. trump. Clearly!So, just to clarify what you are saying here: He incited them, through a speech 1-2 miles from where the event occurred, to take instant action (that the FBI stated was planned days\weeks in advance) using the items they had packed and transported to the location before the speech was given?
Yes.
So, simplifying further what you are asserting:
Effect (riot) was planned and prepared for (as per FBI reports) before "cause" (speech) occurred, therefore speech incited riot...
And here I was thinking the "cause" had to occur before the "effect".
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27 Jan 2021, 8:42 am
Brictoria wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s pretty obvious Trump, Giuliani, et al incited the crowd to storm the Capitol.
Had the majority of the crowd participated, I'd certainly be inclined to agree.
However, given the FBI believe it was planned by some before the speech, coupled with the fact that the majority of the target audience (his supporters there) did not understand the words in that way (It is mainly those opposed to him who have that interpretation), I don't believe that was their intention...
Since when is a crowd of people required to have 100%, or even a majority, of them be dumb enough to get violent for an instigator to have incited the violence?
Never. Only when some trump supporter is trying to twist reality to fit their narrative that trump can do no wrong.
In reality, Paretos Law always applies. It’s always the vital few vs trivial many. It’s the few (hundred or so) bad apples that stormed the building & got violent and murdery that are the problem. Just because MOST people in attendance didn’t do a terrorism doesn’t mean the ones that did weren’t incited by the orange guy to do so. Facts.
They travelled across the country with tactical gear, a variety of weapons, pipe bombs, riot cuffs, body armour... yeah, they were just coming for a sit in. There intentions were violence on behalf of, in defence of, their cult leader mr. trump. Clearly!So, just to clarify what you are saying here: He incited them, through a speech 1-2 miles from where the event occurred, to take instant action (that the FBI stated was planned days\weeks in advance) using the items they had packed and transported to the location before the speech was given?
Yes.
So, simplifying further what you are asserting:
Effect (riot) was planned and prepared for (as per FBI reports) before "cause" (speech) occurred, therefore speech incited riot...
And here I was thinking the "cause" had to occur before the "effect".
Have you ever been to a mass gathering turned riot before?
I’m guessing not.I have. I was fairly near the epicentre of the Vancouver Canucks hockey riot in 2011. There will definitely people there with weapons and face coverings who came prepared to riot - but they still required instigators to set things off. Without them, those people may have just gone home with their weapons and disguises.. but when someone inflames the situation, verbally, physically, when they lead the way it sets the crowd off like a powder keg and there’s no going back.
That’s why police are trained to spot instigators and apprehend them asap so they can try to keep crowds under control vs let them turn into full blown riots.
The cause did occur before the effect. Magas came prepared to riot. trump told them to do it (as many of them are on video saying so) & then they did it. How is this so difficult for you to follow along with?
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goldfish21 wrote:
NightMuse wrote:
More proof, please. I don't trust this video.
If you'll do more research, you'll realize it was the blm/antifa people who caused the trouble, not Trump supporters. And President Trump (no, I don't accept Biden as the president) most certainly did not incite anyone to do this.
If you'll do more research, you'll realize it was the blm/antifa people who caused the trouble, not Trump supporters. And President Trump (no, I don't accept Biden as the president) most certainly did not incite anyone to do this.
Ok, now that I’ve caught my breath:
What’s untrustworthy about this video? It’s edited together, but nothing looks like CGI or like it’s been voiced over. It contains trump’s actual words and actions as well as those of his supporters that attempted a violent overthrow of the US government.
What evidence is there that BLM/antifa did this? And what would their motivation be?
This meme sums up how ridiculous that sounds:
Doesn’t matter whether you accept Biden as POTUS or not, he is in fact the duly elected 46th President of the United States of America and is indeed your president.The only trouble with claiming that trump did not incite anyone to do this is that he’s on video inciting people to do this..
The meme is flawed, logically. If Antifa were responsible, the sole aim would be to take down Trump forever. But there is no way in hell they would have put themselves at such risk to stage a false flag operation.
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27 Jan 2021, 1:52 pm
Especially since Antifa is an ideology that people choose to self identify with, not a structured organization of people complete with card carrying members.
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27 Jan 2021, 2:59 pm
Fnord wrote:
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Vegetableman, I swear you were a Trump Supporter (if my memory is correct here) and you have seemed to change your tune on here. I mean this as a compliment.
His past posts are still available, so anyone can check.How, exactly?
I don’t think you can even query the forum by username never mind by political affiliation And username.
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