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23 Jan 2023, 12:21 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
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Thank you so much to everyone for the lovely and insightful responses!! 
You know, the more I think about it, I'm really mostly left-wing; I mean, how much more leftist can you get than being a queer autistic vegan, right?! 
The only thing that really trips me up as far as politics goes is the issue of misandry, since the left doesn't seem as universally willing or perhaps even able to acknowledge misandry as they are misogyny. 
While I think feminism is as vital and urgent today as it ever was, I would also like to find more acknowledgement of the ways that I feel like I was boxed in as a male throughout my life, although in my own case, these thoughts and feelings might also just be down to my own latent queer identity!! 
You know, the more I think about it, I'm really mostly left-wing; I mean, how much more leftist can you get than being a queer autistic vegan, right?! The only thing that really trips me up as far as politics goes is the issue of misandry, since the left doesn't seem as universally willing or perhaps even able to acknowledge misandry as they are misogyny. While I think feminism is as vital and urgent today as it ever was, I would also like to find more acknowledgement of the ways that I feel like I was boxed in as a male throughout my life, although in my own case, these thoughts and feelings might also just be down to my own latent queer identity!! Technically that doesn't mean you're required to be a leftist, it just means some right-wing allies will never tolerate you.
We have queer, autistic right-wingers on here. I don't why someone who would be offended to be called a she wants to enable so many people who want misgendering him to be the norm, but that's his choice.
Ik I might be describing the left to some embittered conservatives here, and if so, I can't really blame them there, either, but aren't some of the more impassioned sections of the right specifically attached to ideals of "western tradition" that see the greater acceptance and visibility of rights for queer people and disabled people as being akin to almost apocalyptic threats?? 
I think it's important to remember one can be disillusioned with one bloc without having to support their opponents. Too many people approach politics like it's a binary social club, when really it should be about finding people you agree with and can work with to promote ideals and work on issues that are important to you.
Too often there's a pressure to pick sides when it comes to politics, when it's really more fluid and more about supporting all the issues that you care about the most and working hard to make sure that, hopefully, (being really optimistic here, lol ) the changes that you want to see in the world really become a reality!!
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BraveFig wrote:
That's a great point! Too often there's a pressure to pick sides when it comes to politics, when it's really more fluid and more about supporting all the issues that you care about the most and working hard to make sure that, hopefully, (being really optimistic here, lol ) the changes that you want to see in the world really become a reality!!
Too often there's a pressure to pick sides when it comes to politics, when it's really more fluid and more about supporting all the issues that you care about the most and working hard to make sure that, hopefully, (being really optimistic here, lol ) the changes that you want to see in the world really become a reality!! That pressure to pick a side turns politics into something more like sports fandom. We vote this way because the orange team is our team.
Like you say, it's fluid. Sometimes an issue will remain a low priority to the establishment until they decide to prioritize it. Say previously a fringe party was focused on that cause; once the major party starts to care one might find it more useful to support that major party simply because they might actually accomplish the goal.
23 Jan 2023, 3:37 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
BraveFig wrote:
That's a great point! Too often there's a pressure to pick sides when it comes to politics, when it's really more fluid and more about supporting all the issues that you care about the most and working hard to make sure that, hopefully, (being really optimistic here, lol ) the changes that you want to see in the world really become a reality!!
Too often there's a pressure to pick sides when it comes to politics, when it's really more fluid and more about supporting all the issues that you care about the most and working hard to make sure that, hopefully, (being really optimistic here, lol ) the changes that you want to see in the world really become a reality!! That pressure to pick a side turns politics into something more like sports fandom. We vote this way because the orange team is our team.
Like you say, it's fluid. Sometimes an issue will remain a low priority to the establishment until they decide to prioritize it. Say previously a fringe party was focused on that cause; once the major party starts to care one might find it more useful to support that major party simply because they might actually accomplish the goal.
A great example of this from Canadian Political History is that there used to actually be a Marijuana Party of Canada (And no, I'm not kidding about that, either, lol ) Whose entire goal was to legalize marijuana. However, when the Liberal Party (basically Canada's Democrats) started to support the legalization of marijuana, the guy who founded and led the marijuana party basically just joined the Liberals, and so then the Marijuana party just got incorporated, more or less, into Canada's Liberal Party! Also, speaking of political fluidity, this video I just found this morning is pretty interesting if anyone here wants to check it out: ^^
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funeralxempire wrote:
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Also, speaking of political fluidity, this video I just found this morning is pretty interesting if anyone here wants to check it out: ^^
Awesome, I'll watch that later on.
I watched that one video you posted on another thread, why are right-wing men so sad, and I loved how eye-opening insightful that was, at least for me, anyways, so I thought I'd return the favor by posting, on this thread, a video that I found that I thought was just as eye-opening and insightful, too!!
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23 Jan 2023, 5:12 pm
BraveFig wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
BraveFig wrote:
Also, speaking of political fluidity, this video I just found this morning is pretty interesting if anyone here wants to check it out: ^^
Awesome, I'll watch that later on.
I watched that one video you posted on another thread, why are right-wing men so sad, and I loved how eye-opening insightful that was, at least for me, anyways, so I thought I'd return the favor by posting, on this thread, a video that I found that I thought was just as eye-opening and insightful, too!! Awesome, I'm glad old posts from here are useful.
23 Jan 2023, 5:15 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
BraveFig wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
BraveFig wrote:
Also, speaking of political fluidity, this video I just found this morning is pretty interesting if anyone here wants to check it out: ^^
Awesome, I'll watch that later on.
I watched that one video you posted on another thread, why are right-wing men so sad, and I loved how eye-opening insightful that was, at least for me, anyways, so I thought I'd return the favor by posting, on this thread, a video that I found that I thought was just as eye-opening and insightful, too!! Awesome, I'm glad old posts from here are useful.
yeah!! Often I can just have a lot of fun trawling through the forums and searching to see what I come up with!!
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Like the OP most people become less progressive/more conservative as they age.
Just so you're aware, that trend has not occurred with millennials.
Odds are Gen Z will follow that pattern as well unless significant economic changes occur that make home ownership, children and marriage more feasible for more people.
The oldest Millennials are just getting into their 40s so we will see. If conservative continues to equal MAGA insurrectionists you will probably be right. Trumpism has been going on for over 7 years now that probably not only blunted the trend but reversed it radicalizing people.
It's not just that, it's the economy. People don't become more conservative as they age, they become more conservative as conservative policies start to be more favourable to them based on their living circumstances.
If people aren't any more ahead at 40 than they were at 20 you can assume they'll find more appeal in the same politics one might associate with 20 year olds. After all, they're in the same boat but they've had a lot more time to think about it.
In particular I was always shocked to encounter peers of mine who I knew for being conservative in high school who now sound to the left of me. It's some sort of fancy crossover maneuver and now they're passing me on the inside (aka the left).
