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04 Mar 2023, 7:24 pm

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• If an under-aged boy got an under-aged girl pregnant, you could bet your last dollar that the fathers of both kids would either force a wedding, or the boy would be marched down to the Army recruiting office to sign up for early enlistment (at age 17), then his pay would go toward child support.
I thought this thread was about things that were better back in the day. What exactly is positive about that?
Fewer unwed mothers living on Welfare, for one.  Fewer fatherless (e.g., 'bastard') children growing up without the same opportunities as children from two-parent families for another.  Fewer "back-alley" abortions for a third.

I'm sure that after I have had my morning coffee (it is a little after 08:00 am here), I could come up with a few more.



I think I understand what Fnord is trying to say. Boys were held more accountable back in his day for doing stupid things like knocking girls up. A boy was pressured to marry the girl and be a part of his child's life.



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04 Mar 2023, 7:29 pm

DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
• If an under-aged boy got an under-aged girl pregnant, you could bet your last dollar that the fathers of both kids would either force a wedding, or the boy would be marched down to the Army recruiting office to sign up for early enlistment (at age 17), then his pay would go toward child support.
I thought this thread was about things that were better back in the day. What exactly is positive about that?
Fewer unwed mothers living on Welfare, for one.  Fewer fatherless (e.g., 'bastard') children growing up without the same opportunities as children from two-parent families for another.  Fewer "back-alley" abortions for a third.

I'm sure that after I have had my morning coffee (it is a little after 08:00 am here), I could come up with a few more.



I think I understand what Fnord is trying to say. Boys were held more accountable back in his day for doing stupid things like knocking girls up. A boy was pressured to marry the girl and be a part of his child's life.

I don't think that's a great reason to get married.

It could just be tying them down to a harmful, abusive situation. I bet the parents wouldn't feel great if they pushed marriage and the person ended up being abusive to the daughter, kid, or both. Adolescents aren't always great at choosing partners.

I'd prefer there to be more programs offering support beyond welfare or housing to single parents.


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04 Mar 2023, 7:35 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
• If an under-aged boy got an under-aged girl pregnant, you could bet your last dollar that the fathers of both kids would either force a wedding, or the boy would be marched down to the Army recruiting office to sign up for early enlistment (at age 17), then his pay would go toward child support.
I thought this thread was about things that were better back in the day. What exactly is positive about that?
Fewer unwed mothers living on Welfare, for one.  Fewer fatherless (e.g., 'bastard') children growing up without the same opportunities as children from two-parent families for another.  Fewer "back-alley" abortions for a third.

I'm sure that after I have had my morning coffee (it is a little after 08:00 am here), I could come up with a few more.



I think I understand what Fnord is trying to say. Boys were held more accountable back in his day for doing stupid things like knocking girls up. A boy was pressured to marry the girl and be a part of his child's life.

I don't think that's a great reason to get married.

It could just be tying them down to a harmful, abusive situation. I bet the parents wouldn't feel great if they pushed marriage and the person ended up being abusive to the daughter, kid, or both. Adolescents aren't always great at choosing partners.

I'd prefer there to be more programs offering support beyond welfare or housing to single parents.


I can understand that side of things too, but at the same time back in his day that was thought of as the "moral" thing to do. And there are so many children nowadays growing up without a father figure (I was one of them) who don't even bother to pay child support (again just like the situation with my dad).

It all seems very unfair either way to me. I guess this is kind of why we used to discourage teenagers from being sexually active in our society. :?



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05 Mar 2023, 4:51 am

Music was a lot better when I was growing up in the 90s. There was a lot of different mainstream music genres like EMO, Pop Punk, Ska, Alternative Rock, Geek Rock, Boy Bands, Feminist Pop, & Commentary R&B. The current mainstream music out now makes me think that I should be doing meth at club, or it's slow, or it's country.


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05 Mar 2023, 10:39 am

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05 Mar 2023, 11:26 am

Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
• If an under-aged boy got an under-aged girl pregnant, you could bet your last dollar that the fathers of both kids would either force a wedding, or the boy would be marched down to the Army recruiting office to sign up for early enlistment (at age 17), then his pay would go toward child support.
I thought this thread was about things that were better back in the day. What exactly is positive about that?
Fewer unwed mothers living on Welfare, for one.  Fewer fatherless (e.g., 'bastard') children growing up without the same opportunities as children from two-parent families for another.  Fewer "back-alley" abortions for a third.

I'm sure that after I have had my morning coffee (it is a little after 08:00 am here), I could come up with a few more.


As opposed to nowadays where ideally the pregnancy is terminated and life goes on for both children?

Terminate the pregnancy and there is no unwed mother or father.

Protect access to abortion as a right and there are no back-alley abortions.

Again, what exactly is positive about setting some children up in a relationship that's likely to be toxic and resentful? Maybe things will get even better when they divorce in a few years. :roll:


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05 Mar 2023, 11:31 am

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I think I understand what Fnord is trying to say. Boys were held more accountable back in his day for doing stupid things like knocking girls up. A boy was pressured to marry the girl and be a part of his child's life.


That's literally how my mom's folks relationship started and it worked out to harm all around. My grandma cheated while they were together, the divorce was devastating to their 7 kids and all of them got to pass their trauma down a generation.

The uncle who's conception started it all has had some major issues his entire life, starting before his folks finally divorced. He had very little relationship with either of them after that. Instead he found a sense of family with biker gangs.

Literally everyone would be better off if my uncle was aborted and that couple split up.


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05 Mar 2023, 11:35 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
• If an under-aged boy got an under-aged girl pregnant, you could bet your last dollar that the fathers of both kids would either force a wedding, or the boy would be marched down to the Army recruiting office to sign up for early enlistment (at age 17), then his pay would go toward child support.
I thought this thread was about things that were better back in the day. What exactly is positive about that?
Fewer unwed mothers living on Welfare, for one.  Fewer fatherless (e.g., 'bastard') children growing up without the same opportunities as children from two-parent families for another.  Fewer "back-alley" abortions for a third.

I'm sure that after I have had my morning coffee (it is a little after 08:00 am here), I could come up with a few more.


As opposed to nowadays where ideally the pregnancy is terminated and life goes on for both children?

Terminate the pregnancy and there is no unwed mother or father.

Protect access to abortion as a right and there are no back-alley abortions.

Again, what exactly is positive about setting some children up in a relationship that's likely to be toxic and resentful? Maybe things will get even better when they divorce in a few years. :roll:


Well there's always that lingering thought in some people's minds that aborting a fetus is still killing am unborn child.

Not every young girl who gets knocked up wants an abortion. I think we should stop treating abortion like it's an easy solution to everyone's problem that only bigots would be against.

There really is no easy one-shoe-fits-all solution to fixing the issue of boys knocking girls up.

Forced marriages can lead to unhappy marriages and abuse like some have already had stated but at the same time you can't expect every high school girl who gets pregnant to want an abortion.

It's just one of those complex issues to which there is never going to be an easy fix.



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05 Mar 2023, 11:48 am

DeathFlowerKing wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
• If an under-aged boy got an under-aged girl pregnant, you could bet your last dollar that the fathers of both kids would either force a wedding, or the boy would be marched down to the Army recruiting office to sign up for early enlistment (at age 17), then his pay would go toward child support.
I thought this thread was about things that were better back in the day. What exactly is positive about that?
Fewer unwed mothers living on Welfare, for one.  Fewer fatherless (e.g., 'bastard') children growing up without the same opportunities as children from two-parent families for another.  Fewer "back-alley" abortions for a third.

I'm sure that after I have had my morning coffee (it is a little after 08:00 am here), I could come up with a few more.


As opposed to nowadays where ideally the pregnancy is terminated and life goes on for both children?

Terminate the pregnancy and there is no unwed mother or father.

Protect access to abortion as a right and there are no back-alley abortions.

Again, what exactly is positive about setting some children up in a relationship that's likely to be toxic and resentful? Maybe things will get even better when they divorce in a few years. :roll:


Well there's always that lingering thought in some people's minds that aborting a fetus is still killing am unborn child.

Not every young girl who gets knocked up wants an abortion. I think we should stop treating abortion like it's an easy solution to everyone's problem that only bigots would be against.

There really is no easy one-shoe-fits-all solution to fixing the issue of boys knocking girls up.

Forced marriages can lead to unhappy marriages and abuse like some have already had stated but at the same time you can't expect every high school girl who gets pregnant to want an abortion.

It's just one of those complex issues to which there is never going to be an easy fix.


I don't expect everyone in that position to terminate. I just assume that we can see why forced marriage for kids isn't the solution, ever.

I'd rather unwed mothers be able to rely on additional support if they choose to carry to term and raise the child. I don't mind my tax dollars being used to help society's most vulnerable.

I'd rather teenagers strongly consider adoption if they choose to carry to term but know they lack resources to raise a child.

I'd rather practically anything except for losing out on three people's maximum potential.


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05 Mar 2023, 11:54 am

Yeah i agree with all that you just said. :)



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05 Mar 2023, 12:12 pm

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1. In my day, concerts were better because people didn't attend to prove they were there by recording it on their phones. They just were there, fully.

I had the great joy and pleasure, back in 2019, to be able to go on a vacation that started in Calgary AB, went through Banff, Jasper, Mt. Robson Provincial, Kamloops, Victoria, and Vancouver.

I did enjoy myself but one disturbing thing I saw when I was there - particularly at Johnston Canyon, the Ice Fields, etc., was that people weren't just going up to a given landmark and getting a selfie or a picture of themselves with their partner, it was perpetual motion and their phones never seemed to go back into their pockets or down to their sides and the pictures were never just of landscapes but were always of themselves for social proof (I did the opposite - thousands of photos where I only showed up in window reflections - I took one of those and put it on a profile because I liked that the only selfies I took were by accident).

What I'm afraid of with this, I've said it in various posts in the past and it started dawning on my back in 2017 or 2018 is that with this technology I'm watching people become more algorithmic, it tends to lead us in sociopathic and solipsistic directions, and I shudder when I see mass displays of people being dutiful lemmings because I know Darwinian evolution loves the least amount of effort for survival and I see so many people who illustrate that in their daily lives.


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05 Mar 2023, 1:02 pm

The years before 9/11 during my time being alive.

Things were optimistic. The doomsday clock was far away from midnight. It didn't feel like the end of the world was coming around every f***ing corner. People were less crazy. Little to no wars. It looked like anything good was possible.


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The years before 9/11 during my time being alive.

Things were optimistic. The doomsday clock was far away from midnight. It didn't feel like the end of the world was coming around every f***ing corner. People were less crazy. Little to no wars. It looked like anything good was possible.


I definitely agree.



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DeathFlowerKing wrote:
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The years before 9/11 during my time being alive.

Things were optimistic. The doomsday clock was far away from midnight. It didn't feel like the end of the world was coming around every f***ing corner. People were less crazy. Little to no wars. It looked like anything good was possible.


I definitely agree.


On Sept 10th people thought history was done being written.
And then Osama busted out the big pen and reminded us all it never stops being written.


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05 Mar 2023, 4:58 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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The years before 9/11 during my time being alive.

Things were optimistic. The doomsday clock was far away from midnight. It didn't feel like the end of the world was coming around every f***ing corner. People were less crazy. Little to no wars. It looked like anything good was possible.


I definitely agree.


On Sept 10th people thought history was done being written.
And then Osama busted out the big pen and reminded us all it never stops being written.


Nope, not until everything alive on this planet turns to dust. :skull:



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05 Mar 2023, 8:02 pm

• Communism and communists were thought of as evil by practically everyone.

• Dr. Seuss and John Wayne were thought of as respectable people by practically everyone.

• Fascism and fascists were thought of as evil by practically everyone.

• People acting irresponsibly were held accountable for their actions by practically everyone.

• Profanity in comedy and music was practically non-existent.

• The Boy Scouts of America was considered a respectable organization by practically everyone.


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