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15 Jun 2023, 5:47 pm

I don't think that most people with extreme behaviour and beliefs are necessarily "mentally ill". It'd be nice if there was always a clear cut, understandable reason for behaviour like this, but honestly sometimes people just end up unhinged and don't give a f**k about it.

And even if most people who do this type of crap are mentally ill, mentally ill people can still be terrible pieces of s**t and are still often capable of making the choice to behave in ways like this. This is abusive behaviour directed towards a child, and these people had full intent to single out, belittle and demonize her and her family over their own ill-found assumptions. They're not delusional (in a medical/psychiatric sense lmao), or hallucinating, or otherwise psychotic, they full on made the decision to behave this way and media influencing them + any illness they may have can't excuse it.



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15 Jun 2023, 5:53 pm

Fairfield wrote:
I don't think that most people with extreme behaviour and beliefs are necessarily "mentally ill". It'd be nice if there was always a clear cut, understandable reason for behaviour like this, but honestly sometimes people just end up unhinged and don't give a f**k about it.

And even if most people who do this type of crap are mentally ill, mentally ill people can still be terrible pieces of s**t and are still often capable of making the choice to behave in ways like this. This is abusive behaviour directed towards a child, and these people had full intent to single out, belittle and demonize her and her family over their own ill-found assumptions. They're not delusional (in a medical/psychiatric sense lmao), or hallucinating, or otherwise psychotic, they full on made the decision to behave this way and media influencing them + any illness they may have can't excuse it.


100% agreement. Mental illness isn't an excuse for this sort of behaviour; most mental illness doesn't amount to an excuse for most antisocial behaviours.

Being mentally ill isn't an excuse for antisocial behaviour anymore than being autistic would excuse them. The guy knew he was harassing a child; even if he believes his cause was just, he deserves to have a long sit-down with the police and have charges applied, if applicable.


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15 Jun 2023, 6:13 pm

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Mentally ill people are more likely to join cults, but that’s by far not the only risk factor.


Which may or may not be true, but by and large cults are made up of "normal" people who are susceptible to groupthink.

For QAnon most of its members are similar to Trump voters
High levels of obedience to authority
High levels of gullibility
High levels of susceptibility to conform



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15 Jun 2023, 6:15 pm

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Being mentally ill isn't an excuse for antisocial behaviour anymore than being autistic would excuse them. The guy knew he was harassing a child; even if he believes his cause was just, he deserves to have a long sit-down with the police and have charges applied, if applicable.


Is it confirmed he's mentally ill? Does that mean the thousands of families who abused and attacked small black children being bussed to schools in the 1950s or who attended picnics to watch lynchings of teenage boys were all mentally ill??



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15 Jun 2023, 6:16 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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Mentally ill people are more likely to join cults, but that’s by far not the only risk factor.


Which may or may not be true, but by and large cults are made up of "normal" people who are susceptible to groupthink.

For QAnon most of its members are similar to Trump voters
High levels of obedience to authority
High levels of gullibility
High levels of susceptibility to conform

Yeah, I tend to know a little about cults since I was raised in one and thoroughly researched them as part of my deconversion process. :roll:

I never suggested that they weren’t made up of “normal” people. :|

Do people even read posts sufficiently enough to grasp them before responding?


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15 Jun 2023, 6:17 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Being mentally ill isn't an excuse for antisocial behaviour anymore than being autistic would excuse them. The guy knew he was harassing a child; even if he believes his cause was just, he deserves to have a long sit-down with the police and have charges applied, if applicable.


Is it confirmed he's mentally ill? Does that mean the thousands of families who abused and attacked small black children being bussed to schools in the 1950s or who attended picnics to watch lynchings of teenage boys were all mentally ill??


Did you just get home from Non sequiturs R Us?


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15 Jun 2023, 6:23 pm

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Being mentally ill isn't an excuse for antisocial behaviour anymore than being autistic would excuse them. The guy knew he was harassing a child; even if he believes his cause was just, he deserves to have a long sit-down with the police and have charges applied, if applicable.
He should be psych-eval'ed, just to see if he intends to bring a gun to the next track meet.


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15 Jun 2023, 6:47 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Being mentally ill isn't an excuse for antisocial behaviour anymore than being autistic would excuse them. The guy knew he was harassing a child; even if he believes his cause was just, he deserves to have a long sit-down with the police and have charges applied, if applicable.


Is it confirmed he's mentally ill? Does that mean the thousands of families who abused and attacked small black children being bussed to schools in the 1950s or who attended picnics to watch lynchings of teenage boys were all mentally ill??


Did you just get home from Non sequiturs R Us?


I'm interested in the mind set that makes erstwhile normal people become monsters. While you can't see the connection, I certainly do. The grown man in the story believes he is entitled and enabled to harrass the little girl because of the environment that is explicitly anti-trans being cultivated by large swathes of the GOP who claim trans rights marks the end of the world. In other words being antagonistic toward trans people has become normalised and (at least in his mind) enabled his act.

In the 1950s thousands of suburban white families thought it was alright to throw stones at little black children because the environment they lived in school integration was being cultivated as the end of the world, Thus being violent toward a tiny black child entering an all white neighbourhood or an all white school was normalised in their minds.

I can't see a massive difference.



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15 Jun 2023, 6:48 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Mentally ill people are more likely to join cults, but that’s by far not the only risk factor.


Which may or may not be true, but by and large cults are made up of "normal" people who are susceptible to groupthink.

For QAnon most of its members are similar to Trump voters
High levels of obedience to authority
High levels of gullibility
High levels of susceptibility to conform

Yeah, I tend to know a little about cults since I was raised in one and thoroughly researched them as part of my deconversion process. :roll:

I never suggested that they weren’t made up of “normal” people. :|

Do people even read posts sufficiently enough to grasp them before responding?


Glad to hear you came out the other side.



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15 Jun 2023, 8:19 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Being mentally ill isn't an excuse for antisocial behaviour anymore than being autistic would excuse them. The guy knew he was harassing a child; even if he believes his cause was just, he deserves to have a long sit-down with the police and have charges applied, if applicable.


Is it confirmed he's mentally ill? Does that mean the thousands of families who abused and attacked small black children being bussed to schools in the 1950s or who attended picnics to watch lynchings of teenage boys were all mentally ill??


Did you just get home from Non sequiturs R Us?


I'm interested in the mind set that makes erstwhile normal people become monsters. While you can't see the connection, I certainly do. The grown man in the story believes he is entitled and enabled to harrass the little girl because of the environment that is explicitly anti-trans being cultivated by large swathes of the GOP who claim trans rights marks the end of the world. In other words being antagonistic toward trans people has become normalised and (at least in his mind) enabled his act.

In the 1950s thousands of suburban white families thought it was alright to throw stones at little black children because the environment they lived in school integration was being cultivated as the end of the world, Thus being violent toward a tiny black child entering an all white neighbourhood or an all white school was normalised in their minds.

I can't see a massive difference.


There's lots of mechanisms that people use to dehumanize and other others.

Humans rarely seem to find it difficult to be cruel to those they've dehumanized. Those same humans can be quite kind to those they don't dehumanize, and/or towards animals.

Asides from that, it might be fair to describe populations that widely accept ideas like white supremacism as collectively suffering from mental illness. After all, they're demonstrating a delusional belief.


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15 Jun 2023, 8:20 pm

Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Being mentally ill isn't an excuse for antisocial behaviour anymore than being autistic would excuse them. The guy knew he was harassing a child; even if he believes his cause was just, he deserves to have a long sit-down with the police and have charges applied, if applicable.
He should be psych-eval'ed, just to see if he intends to bring a gun to the next track meet.


Absolutely.
They might want to look over his computer too. A guy that fixated on kid's genitals deserves the scrutiny.


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15 Jun 2023, 8:55 pm

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There's lots of mechanisms that people use to dehumanize and other others.


Sure, I am not disputing this disgusting man's fixation with the little girl might have a sexual element. But again didn't dehumanisation of black people also involve mass rape of black teenage girls on a scale that would make Genghis Khan blush? And it continued post-reconstruction up until the 1940s. The feminist movement at the turn of the 20th century never cared what happened to black girls because the behaviour of their men was enabled with full knowledge of their wives.

The underlying patterns seem to overlap and human nature is if anything tends to fall into those patterns when enabled.



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15 Jun 2023, 9:00 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
There's lots of mechanisms that people use to dehumanize and other others.


Sure, I am not disputing this disgusting man's fixation with the little girl might have a sexual element. But again didn't dehumanisation of black people also involve mass rape of black teenage girls on a scale that would make Genghis Khan blush? And it continued post-reconstruction up until the 1940s. The feminist movement at the turn of the 20th century never cared what happened to black girls because the behaviour of their men was enabled with full knowledge of their wives.

The underlying patterns seem to overlap and human nature is if anything tends to fall into those patterns when enabled.


People can engage in all sorts of mistreatment of peoples they've dehumanized, but I'm not sure how this tangent is relevant. It seems like you're about to hijack the thread completely off-topic.


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15 Jun 2023, 9:05 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
There's lots of mechanisms that people use to dehumanize and other others.


Sure, I am not disputing this disgusting man's fixation with the little girl might have a sexual element. But again didn't dehumanisation of black people also involve mass rape of black teenage girls on a scale that would make Genghis Khan blush? And it continued post-reconstruction up until the 1940s. The feminist movement at the turn of the 20th century never cared what happened to black girls because the behaviour of their men was enabled with full knowledge of their wives.

The underlying patterns seem to overlap and human nature is if anything tends to fall into those patterns when enabled.


People can engage in all sorts of mistreatment of peoples they've dehumanized, but I'm not sure how this tangent is relevant. It seems like you're about to hijack the thread completely off-topic.


But I'm not. I'm illustrating a mechanism whereby this man was enabled and emboldened to harrass the little girl,



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15 Jun 2023, 9:10 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
There's lots of mechanisms that people use to dehumanize and other others.


Sure, I am not disputing this disgusting man's fixation with the little girl might have a sexual element. But again didn't dehumanisation of black people also involve mass rape of black teenage girls on a scale that would make Genghis Khan blush? And it continued post-reconstruction up until the 1940s. The feminist movement at the turn of the 20th century never cared what happened to black girls because the behaviour of their men was enabled with full knowledge of their wives.

The underlying patterns seem to overlap and human nature is if anything tends to fall into those patterns when enabled.


People can engage in all sorts of mistreatment of peoples they've dehumanized, but I'm not sure how this tangent is relevant. It seems like you're about to hijack the thread completely off-topic.


But I'm not. I'm illustrating a mechanism whereby this man was enabled and emboldened to harrass the little girl,


That mechanism would enable people, whether or not they're mentally ill to act out, but the entire conversation about what makes people behave cruelly seems like it deserves it's own thread that isn't this one.


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