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03 Jul 2023, 7:05 pm

The basis of this thread is kind of a nothing burger in my opinion.

In regards to doing away with inheritance, people would just give it away before they die. To stop that you would have to eliminate Christmas, birthdays and eventually all commerce.

In regards to raising property taxes on landlords so they have to work harder for money, a single family rental owner pays the same property taxes as a home owner. You would be raising taxes for home owners too.

Landlords get preferential treatment on taxes in the U.S. because they provide a public service that is encouraged.

Some forms of being a landlord can be a blue collar form of wealth. The only person a poor person knows that is not broke could be their landlord. Your landlord that cleans out your toilet at 2:00 in the morning is a plumber even if he calls himself the landlord. I could understand the frustration but no one is necessarily forced to live anywhere. If someone doesn’t like it, move. That is the benefit of renting. The benefit is being able to move.

Whatever money some guy makes renting a few houses, they deserve every penny because they risked their assets. That can be very blue collar. In my mind it needs to be blue collar because even if you may not be the one replacing a roof you need to be able to judge the roof. You need to own a ladder.

It isn’t guaranteed money either. You might be guaranteed to find a tenant but if you go out and buy some random house you will probably loose money. It also helps to know people to be able to know who to rent to. It helps not to live in an ivory tower if you are renting to poor people.

But there are all kinds of landlords. Some people own cropland. Some people own capital. The bank pays you rent on your money. It is called interest. The government likes landlords because they help poor people. If rent goes up due to inflation, that is inflation not the landlord. The government caused that with free money and low interest rates. I realize I am talking about the US. I can not speak to the UK, Dubai or some place else. The royal family is probably your landlord in Dubai and your plumber is probably some broke landlord from another country.

If someone rents in an apartment complex that could be owned by billion dollar corporation for all I know. I wouldn’t call that a landlord.



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03 Jul 2023, 8:43 pm

[opinion=mine]

People who complain the most about the high costs of living seem to always be under-educated, under-employed, under-achievers who expect to be given the better things in life without ever having earned them for themselves.

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03 Jul 2023, 9:37 pm

Fnord wrote:
[opinion=mine]

People who complain the most about the high costs of living seem to always be under-educated, under-employed, under-achievers who expect to be given the better things in life without ever having earned them for themselves.

[/opinion]


Hmm.

Some are slackers. Some have valid complaints.

Also, the entire working class has complaints about housing costs - Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers… over achievers with solid professional salaries and yet they still cannot afford to buy a house anywhere near where they work.

Something’s fucky, IMO.


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03 Jul 2023, 9:49 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
[opinion=mine]

People who complain the most about the high costs of living seem to always be under-educated, under-employed, under-achievers who expect to be given the better things in life without ever having earned them for themselves.

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Some are slackers. Some have valid complaints.

Also, the entire working class has complaints about housing costs - Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers… over achievers with solid professional salaries and yet they still cannot afford to buy a house anywhere near where they work.
Fair enough.

I probably should have said, "People who complain the most and the loudest . . .", et cetera.

But, yeah, I have heard similar complaints from well-educated, well-employed over-achievers, although not as loud and not as often.

Consider: When was the last time you saw a news report about college graduates earning seven-figure salaries as start-up CEOs collectively protesting housing costs?

(Yes, I know about Silicon Valley.)


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03 Jul 2023, 9:53 pm

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Slum Lords are for sure.

The real slum lords are the parasites at the reserve Bank.


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04 Jul 2023, 2:13 am

Fnord wrote:
[opinion=mine]

People who complain the most about the high costs of living seem to always be under-educated, under-employed, under-achievers who expect to be given the better things in life without ever having earned them for themselves.

[/opinion]


Generally speaking i noticed this. There are some with genuine complaints but the most hard-line are the ones who seem to never give to the community despite glamorising a "we're all in this together" ideology.

Can't really pluck the fields clean and run off when it's time to replant. It's collective ownership of everything until an expense pops up, in which case it's everyone else's problem.



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04 Jul 2023, 2:55 am

Nades wrote:
Fnord wrote:
[opinion=mine]

People who complain the most about the high costs of living seem to always be under-educated, under-employed, under-achievers who expect to be given the better things in life without ever having earned them for themselves.

[/opinion]
Generally speaking i noticed this. There are some with genuine complaints but the most hard-line are the ones who seem to never give to the community despite glamorising a "we're all in this together" ideology.

Can't really pluck the fields clean and run off when it's time to replant. It's collective ownership of everything until an expense pops up, in which case it's everyone else's problem.
On a related note: Whenever one of them says something like, "We should do something about X", they are the last to get involved in doing something about X, if they ever get involved at all; and "Someone should do something about X" really means, "Someone ELSE should do something about X".


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04 Jul 2023, 4:13 am

Fnord wrote:
Nades wrote:
Fnord wrote:
[opinion=mine]

People who complain the most about the high costs of living seem to always be under-educated, under-employed, under-achievers who expect to be given the better things in life without ever having earned them for themselves.

[/opinion]
Generally speaking i noticed this. There are some with genuine complaints but the most hard-line are the ones who seem to never give to the community despite glamorising a "we're all in this together" ideology.

Can't really pluck the fields clean and run off when it's time to replant. It's collective ownership of everything until an expense pops up, in which case it's everyone else's problem.
On a related note: Whenever one of them says something like, "We should do something about X", they are the last to get involved in doing something about X, if they ever get involved at all; and "Someone should do something about X" really means, "Someone ELSE should do something about X".


They rarely provide a solution to any problems while also failing to see the irony or hypocrisy of their own short fallings. Many on the extreme end of the climate protests are a good example. A lot of complaints yet most don't even bother learning a skill that will help combating the very fears they're terrified of.

Why have so many picked humanity majors for both study and career when they should have picked STEM? Yes, I'm sure Claire the sociology student will really be useful making a nuclear power station......*sarcasm*

For something like socialism to truly work and be fair to all, employees should be forced to buy shares in the company they work for. Working for a company with ten employees should require the employee to buy 10% of the company, even if it means forking out 100k before they start work. They should also be responsible for any expenses even if it means multiple years of not taking home a penny.

As for communism and all property being owned by the state? People should put their money where their mouth is. Even the disabled should contribute via labour in some form in a communist nation whether they want to or forced too.