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29 Aug 2007, 6:05 pm

The fact that we exist does not mean that we exist on purpose.

If the universe were other than what it is, we would simply not be around to wonder at our own existence.



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30 Aug 2007, 2:09 am

If suddenly humanity ceased to exist from this time onward, 2 things would simultaneously happen. The earth, with all the animals and trees, plants, and rocks would still exist as would the Universe with all the planets, galaxies and stars, and everything would go on as normal. With the absence of humanity, the second thing would come into play. God would cease to exist as well. Without man, there would be no god. That is fact, because we are the only species with cognitive thought, and animals only use instinct to survive. Without cognitive thought, ideas cannot be formed, and thus god-concepts are non-existent, because to formulate a god-concept, you must be able to put a thought process together. Therefore, I AM = GOD EXISTS is relevant, but not entirely factual. If you choose to believe in God, that doesn't necessarily mean that this 'god' is 'real', it just means that your thought process has created something that you are comfortable believing in. For unbelievers, and those that follow other faiths, whatever thought process they used to make their choice also applies. So, using that argument, both sides can actually be right, because belief and faith are the main things that are paramount in a god-concept structure. So, basically no-one is right or wrong, and possibly no-one is doomed either.


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30 Aug 2007, 2:54 am

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Why animals no believe in God ?



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30 Aug 2007, 3:01 am

Because animals cannot think in the same way we do, and therefore they do not have the same thought processes. Instinct is what they act on, where they are getting their next meal, where they are getting their next lay, basically the instinct for survival. God-concept doesn't come into it for your average moggy or dog or even bird, because they cannot think like us and thus cannot create god in the way we can as humans.


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30 Aug 2007, 3:24 am

Animals are apatheists actually.


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30 Aug 2007, 3:35 am

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In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx, a bird with black wings. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love.

Uranus and Gaia had many children together and eventually they had grandchildren. Some of their children become afraid of the power of their children. Kronus, in an effort to protect himself, swallowed his children when they were still infants. However, his wife Rhea hid their youngest child. She gave him a rock wrapped in swaddling clothes, which he swallowed, thinking it was his son.

Once the child, Zeus, had reached manhood his mother instructed him on how to trick his father to give up his brothers and sisters. Once this was accomplished the children fought a mighty war against their father. After much fighting the younger generation won. With Zeus as their leader, they began to furnish Gaia with life and Uranus with stars.

Soon the Earth lacked only two things: man and animals. Zeus summoned his sons Prometheus (fore-thought) and Epimetheus (after-thought). He told them to go to Earth and create men and animals and give them each a gift.

Prometheus set to work forming men in the image of the gods and Epimetheus worked on the animals. As Epimetheus worked he gave each animal he created one of the gifts. After Epimetheus had completed his work Prometheus finally finished making men. However when he went to see what gift to give man Epimetheus shamefacedly informed him that he had foolishly used all the gifts.

Distressed, Prometheus decided he had to give man fire, even though gods were the only ones meant to have access to it. As the sun god rode out into the world the next morning Prometheus took some of the fire and brought it back to man. He taught his creation how to take care of it and then left them.

When Zeus discovered Prometheus' deed he became furious. He ordered his son to be chained to a mountain and for a vulture to peck out his liver every day till eternity. Then he began to devise a punishment for mankind. Another of his sons created a woman of great beauty, Pandora. Each of the gods gave her a gift. Zeus' present was curiosity and a box which he ordered her never to open. Then he presented her to Epimetheus as a wife.

Pandora's life with Epimetheus was happy except for her intense longing to open the box. She was convinced that because the gods and goddesses had showered so many glorious gifts upon her that this one would also be wonderful. One day when Epimetheus was gone she opened the box.

Out of the box flew all of the horrors which plague the world today - pain, sickness, envy, greed. Upon hearing Pandora's screams Epimetheus rushed home and fastened the lid shut, but all of the evils had already escaped.

Later that night they heard a voice coming from the box saying,

"Let me out. I am hope."

Pandora and Epimetheus released her and she flew out into the world to give hope to humankind.

http://www.cs.williams.edu/~lindsey/myths/myths.html


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30 Aug 2007, 4:21 am

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As I said, hydrogen inrush caused by atomic reaction roughly 17,000,000,000 year ago. Easy. I'll accept that.

hydrogen inrush? Where did the hydrogen come from?


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30 Aug 2007, 5:04 am

The_Chosen_One wrote:
Because animals cannot think in the same way we do, and therefore they do not have the same thought processes. Instinct is what they act on, where they are getting their next meal, where they are getting their next lay, basically the instinct for survival. God-concept doesn't come into it for your average moggy or dog or even bird, because they cannot think like us and thus cannot create god in the way we can as humans.


I am sure there are a whole bunch of animals who ... spook themselves by looking in the mirror or see something big and scary ... and think sh** I hope the big master will protect me, please oh please oh please.



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30 Aug 2007, 6:14 am

JonnyBGoode wrote:
The_Chosen_One wrote:
As I said, hydrogen inrush caused by atomic reaction roughly 17,000,000,000 year ago. Easy. I'll accept that.

hydrogen inrush? Where did the hydrogen come from?

God farted :D

C'mon you left that one wide open..can you blame me?



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30 Aug 2007, 6:36 am

So THAT'S where they got the saying 'it stinks to high heaven'.

Dead skunk in the middle of the road.....

But seriously, consider a black hole, the size of a basketball, which contains enough anti-matter, and matter, and suddenly there was a huge inrush of hydrogen caused by a chain-reaction due to that matter/anti-matter explosion. Suddenly the black hole explodes to form what we now know as the universe. The Big Bang was said to have happened 17,000,000,000 years ago; what if this black hole was all that existed before? And don't give me this about god creating THAT, because without man there is no god.


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30 Aug 2007, 10:42 am

the concept of time is not only meaningless but did not exist before the big band.



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30 Aug 2007, 12:09 pm

wrong Wrong WRONG!! !!

At first there was The Great Cat God, then She created the Universe and all His wonderful cats. And then He created the Lesser Cat Gods to watch over Her cats.



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30 Aug 2007, 12:58 pm

ShellyShine wrote:
the concept of time is not only meaningless but did not exist before the big band.

Ya mean Tommy Dorsey is the source of everything? :lol: :lol: :lol:



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30 Aug 2007, 5:51 pm

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AND THEN IT EXPLODED!

I cant believe people actually believe in the big bang.
I would believe in god before the big bang anyday.
very intresting. i must say what you say makes alot of sence son. great work!! :)



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30 Aug 2007, 7:49 pm

God creates man - man creates god.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?


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30 Aug 2007, 7:54 pm

The_Chosen_One wrote:
man creates god.
this is probably more like it