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24 Oct 2023, 7:42 pm

If I lived under a regime that was known to do nasty things to my enemies at every given opportunity, I’d definitely cooperate with and support them whenever possible -- but then again, I am not a Palestinian.


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24 Oct 2023, 7:48 pm

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I tolerated seven years of violence and attempted murder by making nice so I wouldn't be killed, and to protect my children. Only once did I fight back.

Yeah, I can relate apart from the attempted murder.

I got involved in illegal activity on a couple of occasions because I didn’t have a choice. Then, it wasn’t so much the violence but the very serious threat of violence.


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24 Oct 2023, 7:52 pm

^^ We’re all human except for those of us who are lizards.


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24 Oct 2023, 7:53 pm

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An Insane Number of Gen Zers Support Hamas's Slaughter of Innocent Israelis | Opinion
By Brad Polumbo, October 24, 2023, at 11:54 AM EDT

As the world continues to process the horrors of the October 7 Hamas terrorist attack on Israeli that left 1,300 dead and thousands more injured and the horrors of the ensuing war in Gaza, young Americans are coming to vastly different conclusions about the situation than... well, anyone else. A new Harvard-Harris poll asked Americans what they think about the Hamas-Israel conflict, and the results sharply diverged along generational lines.

Overall, Americans overwhelmingly support Israel over Hamas. A whopping 84 percent of respondents told pollsters they favored Israel, while just 16 percent favored Hamas. Among older Americans over 65, an astounding 95 percent supported Israel, and just 5 percent said their sympathies lie with Hamas.

But among young people age 18 to 24, things looked quite differently.  Just 52 percent of this group said they supported Israel, while 48 percent said they supported Hamas.  Yes, that's right: Nearly half of young respondents said they side with the terrorist group that just earlier this month purposefully targeted and slaughtered innocent civilians, including women, children, and infants, in a chilling and sadistic manner.

It should go without saying -- but apparently it doesn't -- that no matter how much one sympathizes with the plight of Palestinian people, it is still wrong to slaughter concert goers and burn their bodies. It is still wrong to kill entire families huddled in their bomb shelters. And it is still wrong to murder babies.

Read the complete and unedited article  HERE 

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This may get me banned, but IN MY OPINION, the terrorist group Hamas and it supporters are getting what they deserve.  Fnord

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This is not directed at you Fnord but at the writer of the article , the poll was of only 2,116 people , I think he went a bit overboard with his superlatives , he used 'whopping' to describe 84% and 'insane' to describe 48% ( the breakdown of how many 18-24 polled was not disclosed) , out of the 18-24 year olds 36% didn't see Hamas as terrorists so not really surprising for the percentage that support Hamas. That does however leave 12% who see Hamas as terrorists and support them. Saying nearly half of young respondents said they side with the terrorist group is a lie.


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24 Oct 2023, 7:57 pm

↑ So you object to the superlatives but not the facts.  Good.


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24 Oct 2023, 8:17 pm

You probably missed my edit, I don't agree that nearly half of young respondents said they side with the terrorist group due to the percentage who don't see them as terrorists - which is a completely separate concerning issue.

I don't think 2000 odd people is representative of 331.9 million people.

Edit. I should say math/maths is not my strong point especially percentages.

I also don't know anything about how propensity score weighting and weighted answers work.


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24 Oct 2023, 8:44 pm

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You probably missed my edit, I don't agree that nearly half of young respondents said they side with the terrorist group due to the percentage who don't see them as terrorists - which is a completely separate concerning issue.  I don't think 2000 odd people is representative of 331.9 million people.  Edit. I should say math/maths is not my strong point especially percentages.
So you're actually objecting to the sample size.

According to  This Data , there are only 69.58 million Gen-X'ers (~20.96%) in the United States.  The sample size in this study is significant because the general trend is well-established at about one-tenth its size, and any further increase in sample size is not likely to skew the outcome overly much.

Thus, the original assertion still stands.


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24 Oct 2023, 8:49 pm

There are no good guys or bad guys in this situation. Both sides are horrible and evil and I hate them all. Religion is horrible and evil. And the only real difference between humans and mentally defective chimpanzees is that the chimps have slightly more body hair



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24 Oct 2023, 9:09 pm

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So you're actually objecting to the sample size.

According to  This Data , there are only 69.58 million Gen-X'ers (~20.96%) in the United States. 
Thus, the original assertion still stands.


I'm not confident in my evaluation as I would prefer to know how many 18-25 year olds were polled , but seeing as there are 6 age groups I'd guess approx 350 out of 69.58 million which imo doesn't convince me.

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The sample size in this study is significant because the general trend is well-established at about one-tenth its size, and any further increase in sample size is not likely to skew the outcome overly much.


This doesn't make sense to me but as I say I don't do maths.

Are you saying that general trends are established with a poll size of 200?


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24 Oct 2023, 9:33 pm

Don't bother replying I just found a sample size calculator - you live and learn


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24 Oct 2023, 9:44 pm

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In every war, collaborators are considered the Enemy.


So the Palestinian people deserve to be ethnically cleansed from their homeland? Interesting take.


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24 Oct 2023, 9:44 pm

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There are no good guys or bad guys in this situation. Both sides are horrible and evil and I hate them all. Religion is horrible and evil. And the only real difference between humans and mentally defective chimpanzees is that the chimps have slightly more body hair


Nah, for as nasty as humans are chimps make humans seem like bonobos by comparison.


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24 Oct 2023, 9:46 pm

Fnord wrote:
If I lived under a regime that was known to do nasty things to my enemies at every given opportunity, I’d definitely cooperate with and support them whenever possible -- but then again, I am not a Palestinian.


But by your own logic, if you were, you'd support Hamas.


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24 Oct 2023, 9:47 pm

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lostonearth35 wrote:
There are no good guys or bad guys in this situation. Both sides are horrible and evil and I hate them all. Religion is horrible and evil. And the only real difference between humans and mentally defective chimpanzees is that the chimps have slightly more body hair


Nah, for as nasty as humans are chimps make humans seem like bonobos by comparison.

I’m glad that chimps don’t have guns or nukes.


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24 Oct 2023, 9:50 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
There are no good guys or bad guys in this situation. Both sides are horrible and evil and I hate them all. Religion is horrible and evil. And the only real difference between humans and mentally defective chimpanzees is that the chimps have slightly more body hair


Nah, for as nasty as humans are chimps make humans seem like bonobos by comparison.

I’m glad that chimps don’t have guns or nukes.


Me too.
Not because I'd be worried about them taking over the world, but instead because I'm worried chimp family 1 would glass half the Congo to eliminate chimp family 2.


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25 Oct 2023, 3:19 am

funeralxempire wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
There are no good guys or bad guys in this situation. Both sides are horrible and evil and I hate them all. Religion is horrible and evil. And the only real difference between humans and mentally defective chimpanzees is that the chimps have slightly more body hair


Nah, for as nasty as humans are chimps make humans seem like bonobos by comparison.


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Both humans and chimps are patriarchal species (whether by nature or nurture, doesn't matter), both are warring expansionist species; while the bonobos stayed in one tiny geographical area.

If humans were really more bonobo-like than chimp-like, we would have probably remained in a tiny population somewhere in Africa. Probably, some climate change forced us to expand.

It's also interesting to see that many homo species diseappeared around the same time the Homo Sapiens arrived to their areas, like the Neatherdals, Denisovans and the Hobbits. Knowing how the more recent human empires treated other humans in the lands they conquered, it wouldn't be too shocking to assume that earlier humans may had done the same to other homo species at first contact.


https://www.sciencealert.com/did-homo-s ... her-humans