Question about Israeli military and religious Zionists
ASPartOfMe wrote:
THE HAREDI EXEMPTION
Quote:
Through an arrangement established during the founding of the state, Haredi men have enjoyed a de facto exemption from the mandatory IDF or non-military service requirement that legally applies to all Jewish Israeli citizens. Benjamin Netanyahu’s sixth government has taken up the task of establishing a de jure basis for this arrangement, a perennially explosive issue in Israeli politics whose resolution could have decisive implications for the future of Israel’s military, judiciary, and religion-and-state status quo.
Yeah Israelis who fight and sometimes die in the many conflicts throughout history bitterly resent this. It contributes to a level of cynicism that has probably increased for later generations. Israelis fight for simple survival, not for the furtherance of of some Zionist "ideal". This may have contributed to the success of the Hamas pogrom, which should have been dead on takeoff.
ASPartOfMe wrote:
THE HAREDI EXEMPTION
Quote:
Through an arrangement established during the founding of the state, Haredi men have enjoyed a de facto exemption from the mandatory IDF or non-military service requirement that legally applies to all Jewish Israeli citizens. Benjamin Netanyahu’s sixth government has taken up the task of establishing a de jure basis for this arrangement, a perennially explosive issue in Israeli politics whose resolution could have decisive implications for the future of Israel’s military, judiciary, and religion-and-state status quo.
[bolding and underlining mine]
So, if current demographic trends continue, Israel will end up with an almost all-female military?
_________________
- Autistic in NYC - Resources and new ideas for the autistic adult community in the New York City metro area.
- Autistic peer-led groups (via text-based chat, currently) led or facilitated by members of the Autistic Peer Leadership Group.
MaxE wrote:
Israelis fight for simple survival, not for the furtherance of of some Zionist "ideal".
However, increasing numbers of Orthodox Jews (including Haredi) here in the U.S.A. are emigrating to Israel for purely religious reasons, for the furtherance of a religious Zionist ideal, not because they need to go to Israel to escape persecution elsewhere.
_________________
- Autistic in NYC - Resources and new ideas for the autistic adult community in the New York City metro area.
- Autistic peer-led groups (via text-based chat, currently) led or facilitated by members of the Autistic Peer Leadership Group.
Last edited by Mona Pereth on 30 Oct 2023, 12:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
As someone who practices Judaism, I can tell you that I don't know. If you are interested, Chabad.org has lots of that information.
What I do know is that the IDF takes a torah scroll whenever they go into battle, which is an ancient tradition. This goes back to the days when the Israelites took down Jericho.
Additionally, the IDF were Tzi-Tzi, which are the strings that you see the men wear. Yes, they do pray during the battles.
Mona Pereth wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
THE HAREDI EXEMPTION
Quote:
Through an arrangement established during the founding of the state, Haredi men have enjoyed a de facto exemption from the mandatory IDF or non-military service requirement that legally applies to all Jewish Israeli citizens. Benjamin Netanyahu’s sixth government has taken up the task of establishing a de jure basis for this arrangement, a perennially explosive issue in Israeli politics whose resolution could have decisive implications for the future of Israel’s military, judiciary, and religion-and-state status quo.
[bolding and underlining mine]
So, if current demographic trends continue, Israel will end up with an almost all-female military?
To my knowledge, Israeli women don't engage in combat, so it really doesn't matter.
ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 68
Gender: Male
Posts: 39,637
Location: Long Island, New York
Quote:
A co-ed Israeli combat squad eliminated nearly 100 Hamas terrorists while protecting towns along Israel’s borders, and the unit’s female commander says their heroic actions leave "no more doubts about female combat soldiers," according to a report.
Lt.-Col. Or Ben-Yehuda commands the Caracal Battalion, a mixed-gender infantry combat unit that has been protecting Israel near the southern Gaza Strip from Hamas infiltration, the Jerusalem Post reported.
"Their training and performance on the battlefield have erased any doubts. They fought bravely, saved lives, and emerged as heroes," Ben-Yehuda said of the female troops, according to the newspaper.
The Israeli squad encountered a convoy of nearly 50 terrorists and the two parties exchanged fire, the report stated.
The fighting dragged on for nearly four hours, according to the report, with Ben-Yehuda and the Caracal Battalion thwarting the terrorists’ attempts to outflank them. The report said Israeli forces used light anti-armor missiles to help eliminate and disperse the terrorists.
Lt.-Col. Or Ben-Yehuda commands the Caracal Battalion, a mixed-gender infantry combat unit that has been protecting Israel near the southern Gaza Strip from Hamas infiltration, the Jerusalem Post reported.
"Their training and performance on the battlefield have erased any doubts. They fought bravely, saved lives, and emerged as heroes," Ben-Yehuda said of the female troops, according to the newspaper.
The Israeli squad encountered a convoy of nearly 50 terrorists and the two parties exchanged fire, the report stated.
The fighting dragged on for nearly four hours, according to the report, with Ben-Yehuda and the Caracal Battalion thwarting the terrorists’ attempts to outflank them. The report said Israeli forces used light anti-armor missiles to help eliminate and disperse the terrorists.
As far as the Heredi exemption goes that has been resented by secular Israelis for a long time. That resentment came out in the open during the pre war protests. Netanyahu will be gone after the war putting the exemption in jeopardy.
_________________
“Self Acceptance is a process not a performance”
“You are autistic enough. And you always have been”
Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.
ASPartOfMe wrote:
As far as the Heredi exemption goes that has been resented by secular Israelis for a long time.
Hmmm, I wonder if anyone in Israel has used the following argument against the Haredi exemption -- an argument that might perhaps convince at least some of the Haredi themselves, if I understand their beliefs correctly:
Given that the Haredi have traditional beliefs about the Messiah/Moshiach, i.e. that Moshiach will be a great military leader as well as a great rabbi, doesn't the Haredi military exemption delay the coming of Moshiach, by preventing Haredi men from becoming military leaders, great or otherwise, and thus preventing any of them from becoming Moshiach?
Not that I personally have any interest in convincing Haredi men to join the Israeli military -- far from it. The above is just something that leapt out at me, as a paradox, when I was reading about Haredi beliefs earlier today.
_________________
- Autistic in NYC - Resources and new ideas for the autistic adult community in the New York City metro area.
- Autistic peer-led groups (via text-based chat, currently) led or facilitated by members of the Autistic Peer Leadership Group.
