Who Is In Charge Of The Church?

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You can read my book, if you wish (it is short) https://www.amazon.com/Heavens-Queens-W ... 272&sr=1-3

Anyway, at least in most of Europe and much of the West, people are free to worship (or not) as they wish, and believe whatever they want. If you don't like one church, then you may attend another. It isn't like, say, Germany after the 30-Years War, where the Prince decided whether to be Catholic or Protestant, and all of his subjects were required to worship in the same way, or potentially face execution. Of, like a lot of modern Muslim countries, where if you decide that Islam isn't right for you, then you get your head chopped off.

Europeans went through an awful lot of bloody wars over which brand of Christianity was correct. The English made their king the head of the Anglican Church. Our pilgrims didn't like it, much preferred the old-fashioned puritanism, and relocated to Massachusetts. Our Founding Fathers decided nicely to separate church and state.

There is enough in the Bible to support just about any moral stand. Including slavery. In fact, there is more support for abortion than against abortion.

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"Who Is In Charge of the Church"

Considering The Church is Supposed to Be

Based on the Bible and the Bible is a Book With A New Testament

That Even Within One Report of Matthew Describes Teachings of

Turn The Other Cheek, Love The Enemy As The Neighbor, And God

All Forgiving;

God Is Love

As Described

in A Report By John too;

Obviously, The God of the Old
Testament Sneaks HiS Way BacK in,

Burning Those Who Don't Do What He
Says Forever in Torture That ONLY A TRUE

SOUL-LESS PSYCHOPATHIC INDIVIDUAL COULD
POSSIBLY DO, Even in Writing the Frigging Story;

OTHER THAN
THAT OBVIOUSLY

LIARS ARE IN CHARGE

OF BOTH THE PRODUCTION

OF THE BIBLE AND THE INSTITUTION

OF IT AS WELL; Dear Lord, i am More Moral

And Ethical Than A Frigging Lying Totally Hannibal
The Cannibal Psychopathic Leaning Torturing God;

That's All i Need to

Know; Better Yet Have

Common Sense Now to

See That The Book is

More A Cook Book of
Recipes of Faux Sticks and
Carrots to Subjugate, Control,

And Master Other Human Beings

As Sheep Led Constantly to Lies to Fleece...

Yet of Course, One May Cherry Pick the Nuggets

of Gold Out of All the Cow Manure That Only Fertilizes

Fear, Anger, Hate, Aggression, And Frigging Wars STiLL For

Those Who Continue to Support A Tribal Torturing God(s)
Contributing to That AS Such...

Yet again There Are Still
The Gold Nuggets that

May Be Cherry Picked

Of LoVE iN Peace as Where

i Am From Where 'Trump Authored'

Many Parts of that Book, There Are Still the

Likely Kind 'Gay Artists' With Lots of Empathy/Compassion
Who Wrote The Other Parts of the Book too Where the Ones

With Less Ability to Understand Metaphor Let The FLoWeRS

Slip Through
All the THoRNS of the Rose;

Other Than That the Entire Book
is Reflective of the Entire Human Condition,
DarK Thru LiGHT; How Even Carl Sagan Related
in His Book; And Related in the Movie 'Contact' That Humans
Are An Interesting Mix Capable of Creating Nightmares And Dreams

Come True
in Fruition
For Real; Such
is the Condition
of The Condition Still;

Innocent Women and Children
Still Being Slaughtered And Raped...

And 'Gardens of Eden' For Real Are Flourishing
Around the World With LoVE iN Peace at Least

WHere
i LiVE
FoR Real
With SMiLes, Hehe;

i Visit the Other places
To ReMeMBeR HeLL ON EartH too;

Thank God We LiVE iN A Separation

of Church And State to Escape all the Lies...

IF
We Do...

And There ARE So-called
Christian Churches That Greater
Amplify the 'Good Cop Jesus' Cherry
Picked Out of the Bible More Than the

"Mango
Orange
Version"

Still Alive
in Both
Church And State...

Given All the Fine Lines
of Terms And Conditions
of the Human Species, i Am

Grateful That At Least i Am
Able to Cherry Pick a Good Cop
Version of that Jesus Story Fellow Out of
The Book With Supporting Verses to Help Find

LoVE iN Peace

Out IN the
Wild of

'Trump
Town USA;'

The Bible is Like
A Rorschach test;

Folks Cherry Pick the
Parts That More Fully
Represent Who They Are Deep iN Soul

or
Not

With A Lesser
God Than LoVE iN Peace...

i Realize i Could LiVE iN A
Community Without Any
Good Cop Version of A Jesus at all...

Thank God We Have A Story With More Than Just A Tribal War Lord...

As Where i LiVE if You Can Relate The Good Cop Jesus You'll Find a
FRiEnD Most Everywhere

You Go

Forever Now;

As They Won't
Dare Deny the
Verses Ya Cherry Pick of Gold...

Yet i'm Not Gonna Lie, It Helps a Lot
If You Are A White Dude Who Looks Like

He Could
Hit a Home
Run On The
First Baptist Softball Team; Perhaps

Employed By Law Enforcement or the Military;

Yep, Always LooKinG For New Recruits hehe...

Listen, 'The Church/Bible' Has Many Negative And
Some Positive Aspects too; Dear Lord That's Life...

Yawn...

Really
Not Very
SurpriSinG
At All to me;

i Step over 'the
Fertilizer' And Yes

Continue to Smell
the Roses More;
Cause, i Will And Do
As i Am Newly Now Free..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRPUO6gGSh8

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Which church? Individual denominations within Christianity, individual churches within a denomination, and individual people within a church are not often held accountable by higher-ups.  Independent churches are even worse -- many are like little autocratic states all on their own.

The Bible itself recording Jesus' words and the words of those who God used to construct it, are actually pretty simple. Some of the prophecies may not be fully understood until they come to pass and this is the same as visions I have personally been given in the past where they made no sense until the day I actually walked into them!

There is a lot to be said about reading the Bible for oneself though I do admit that before I came to faith myself, it was difficult to read and make sense of... But when I had that "Born Again" experience, when I read the Bible it became alive and started to give out its secrets!

But I always encourage people to read the Bible and not just go by what others say as people say stupid things which are repeated by others who have never read it. Statements like "The Bible is full of contradictions" where it one reads it, there is only one single contradiction that one is likely to find in some translations and it is due to an error of the translator where in one place in the OLD Testament and another place in the New Testament it uses the same word (In some translations) where Jesus is described and satan is described, when it one is puzzled and studies further, one will find that one of the two terms used was translated wrongly.
One thing to be aware of are footnotes written by so called "Bible schollars" who in some cases clearly don't know what they are talking about! Example are that there are three fascinating creatures which once lived on the earth mentioned, and two of them are described in detail. The other is described and does not need too much detail to describe it.
Leviothan, behemoth and unicorn. Obviously these three creatures lived at some point in time. Some mention that unicorn could be a rhino, but others are not so sure. One thing though, it common folklore is to be believed about the unicorn (If it was "Horse-like" which the Bible does not claim it to be (I need to read it again as I don't recall it mentioned as necessarily being horse-like in its description), if such a creature died, it's born would be in such high demand with humans that I doubt any skeleton remains would survive intact!
Now behemoth and laviathan are described in detail and are definitely not the hippopotamus and crocodile that foolish Bible scholars claimed they were! Did the scholars actually read the descriptions? The problem is that the "Bible schollars" used these examples to promote evolution which was commonly pushed at the time, as if they matched them up to certain dinosaurs they would have perfect matches for their descriptions including many of the folklore tales passed down through the generations!
There has also been a systematic approach in science to destroy evidence whenever giant skeletons were found, especially in the USA. Ask the red Indians who freely claim that they were not the original tribes that lived there as they themselves round these remains!I
Many places in the UK gave reference to giant humans who lived here in the past.
Some things though have been faked, Stone Henge being a classic example where the stones found, none of which stood up, were not even near each other and some were actually carried there from Wales just before a certain quarry on the Prescelly mountains closed in the 1950's. Yet people claim to know different. There is a lot of losing going on somewhere! Locals actually photographed the big stones that came in by lorry before WW1 (1913?) and again in 1956 and the cranes used to erect the stones which were set into concrete to hold them up!
I became fascinated with the site until I began to research about the famous "Blue stones" and discovered they were placed there as a bit tourist attraction!
Many sites in Wales where stone circles were placed are actually modern! The stones which have stood there for centuries are not in circles. They are either markers to show the directions of the old roadway systems or burial site markers often known as "cairns".I
The truth is out there if one looks. Mankind has done a lot to receive in the name of science.
A good site to look at regarding Bible history though is

http://www.arkdiscovery.com

As it is where instead of going to the common pilgrimage sites of these places set up during and after the crusades to protect such areas from future Muslim uprisings, they decided to go by Bible descriptions of where these sites should be, and they discovered some amazing findings!

I am often sceptical about things until I look at things further, and these guys are onto something here! In the past I heard missionaries who have their testimonies when they were passing through Iraq and they asked a local taxi driver as he took them past the remind of something in a certain area and he said "That's the tower of Babel" (I think it was Iraq) and yet though the locals know these places, the West does not! A similar site is where Soddom and Gamorrah is along with the other cities that God destroyed in that plain. The locals living in the area all know what it is. But the West tends to hide knowledge of such places as it does not want people to be sidetracked from science. (As I am writing this I am having to correct so many words as this artificial intelligence spelling system keeps changing what I type! It seems to have a mind of its own!

Anywzy. I get sidetracked easily so I hardly remember what I was writing about.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/christia ... h_b_216364

Why is this obvious? There’s a great deal of mythology in the Bible. For example, concerning the Flood, the Bible writer(s) in Genesis drew largely from The Epic of Gilgamesh. A global flood never happened.

If there’s mythology in the Bible, why not mythological creatures?



There are many contradictions in the Bible. It doesn’t just come down to errors in translation. And yes, I have read the Bible several times.

Different accounts of Judas’s death is just one example:

Matthew 27:5 “So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.”

Acts 1:18, 19 (With the payment he received for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. 19 Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)

I used the NIV but people can compare other editions on biblegateway or biblehub - not pornhub. I won’t make that mistake again.

Three more contradictions in the New Testament:

1. There are contradictions between the genealogies of Jesus given in the first chapter of Matthew and the third chapter of Luke.

Both genealogies begin with Jesus’ father, who is identified as Joseph (which is curious, given that Mary was supposedly impregnated by the Holy Ghost). But Matthew says Joseph’s father was Jacob, while Luke claims he was Heli. Matthew lists 26 generations between Jesus and King David, whereas Luke records 41. Matthew runs Jesus’ line of descent through David’s son Solomon, while Luke has it going through David’s son Nathan.

2. In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross.

3. Matthew and Mark say that Jesus last words were “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Luke says they were: “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” John says: “It is finished.”

Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34, Luke 23:46, John 19:30

Bible scholars say that Mark was written first. Various passages in the other gospels demonstrate that writers were copying directly from it - sometimes word for word. John tends to be a lot different from the other books because it was written much later although there are still passages that draw heavily from the other gospels.

Good information about Bible contradictions and cruelty in the Bible can be found here:

https://americanhumanist.org/what-is-hu ... ect-bible/

and here.

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An article that some may find useful:

https://www.salon.com/2014/11/01/the_sa ... d_partner/

For those who aren't as inclined to view the writings of the bible through a purely black-and-white mindset (and have an intetest in the occult and folk magic like I do), here is an intriguing article I found on New World Witchery about using the Book of Psalms to curse people and why sometimes it's basically OK for a God to be the embodiment of both good AND evil.

I think something about the way people are being quick to judge religous types bothers me even though I'm not truely religious myself.

https://newworldwitchery.com/2011/01/18 ... ms-part-i/

And before anyone is quick to dismiss all this as BS, just keep in mind that hoodoo and the KJV bible were the only form of defense African slaves had against their white oppressors here in the Deep South. Who's to honestly say it did not work for them?

Exodus 21:20-21 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.”

I'm just going to say something that's going to probably piss a lot of people off with me.

Maybe it's just a nasty part of human nature to enslave other humans? People in the West can pretend like they are against slavery as this evil immoral thing all they want and yet even in modern times our society benefits from slavery. Think about the clothes your wearing, the fruits you're eating, and the smartphone you are using to blog about the evils of Capitalism. All of these things came from slave labor overseas so you don't have to think about it.

"God" or in my opinion "the Gods" are neither all good nor all evil. They are both, just like humans.

God incorporates both the positive and the nasty side of human nature. And Athiests and Wiccans are just as quick to judge as Christians are. Everyone wants to play the Moral Police.

The scripture condones beating slaves. My point was that the Bible was bad for slaves because slave-owners often used it to justify owning and abusing them.

With the rise of humanism, many people these days are against such practices and are morally superior to the God they worship. God commits a lot of atrocities in the Bible, reflecting the subpar moral values of the people in the times in which it was written.

1John 1:5 “This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.”

I understand but the bible has been used to both condone AND condemn slavery (the whole story about Moses freeing his people from the Egyptians?)

It's like I said it goes both ways, can be used for both cruel things and kind things. Because the Christian God is really a mix of both, just like any deity found in the world.

I think of the Bible as more of a tool than "The Word of God".

There's no doubt in my mind of the power behind it.

The “Christian God” isn’t even a single, unchanging entity. He evolved over the centuries, so he’s more or less bad depending on the writer and book. The New Testament generally contains a much nicer depiction of God. The God of the Old Testament, especially of the Pentateuch, is often wicked although many Christians think they are one and the same and that God does not change. Malachi 3:6, James 1:17

I think this is indicative of the notion that people make God in their image rather than the other way around.

The same is true for every God and Goddess out there that ever existed.

Hell look at Lilith, she went from being a baby-murdering man-seducing demoness in Jewish Folklore to a bevolent Goddess of Feminism & Equality among the wiccans in modern times.

^ Yep, that’s true.

So basically what I'm trying to say is...

You take the good
You take the bad
You mix them up
And then you have
The Facts of Life
The Facts of Life