China is Already Replacing Russia in Siberia

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You're starting to remind me of the skunk with his fixation on China bad mmkay and slandering anyone who doesn't agree with your views towards China as defending China.

Is that a yes?

It's me rejecting your questioning entirely because at no point have I expressed sympathy for the PRC and you're just engaging your usual intellectual dishonesty.

I worry for he welfare of the Siberians. Swapping one imperial power with another.

How would theoretically China take over Siberia?

For a start Russia has nukes so militarily is unlikely, unless China was willing to see much of its cities destroyed & population wiped out. If China wanted to do a resource grab it would go into C Asia like Kazakhstan with its massive oil & gas reserves but weak army and low population.

So that leaves non militarily or a slow takeover:-

For a start you need a visa to enter Russia like any country.

Most immigrants to Russia come from former USSR southern states of central Asia most are Muslim, like most immigrants they tend to go to the capital for work in the western Russia, not Siberia, very few come from China, those that do tend to be rich businessmen who buy & control things like large farms and factories.

While its control in one sense they are still out numbered massively, a farm / factory manager here and there is not enough to take over the place.

What you would need is the population on your side and there isn't enough military age Chinese there to do that.

Its easier for China to just buy what it wants like it does everywhere, like Africa, its not like they cant afford it anyway.

In fact no one wants to really be there, the climate is too harsh, land useless & its too difficult to encourage people to live there unless its in the few places to do a job like mining / resource extraction.

For a start there are hardly any jobs in the small cities / towns there, most young people have left, look at N Canada or Alaska its the same.

Human beings dont like the cold.

I'm confused. Recent news seems to suggest that China, being impressed by Russia's success in Ukraine, and not getting any love from the West, has begun cozying up to Russia — so now they're going to make things unpleasant for Russia in Siberia? Sounds like YouTube nonsense to me.

Watch the video.

But the short version is by similar means as Russia has used in border conflicts. Move PRC loyalists in, have them vote for annexation.

What success in Ukraine?

Russia has shown they're much weaker than assumed. China is cozying up to exploit Russia's weakness, not to seek protection.

you're right.

You ARE 'confused'!

What "success"?

China and Putin shook hands some years before the Ukraine war.

Ji Jingping and Putin had a summit a few years back, before Putin launched his invasion. The upshot of it was a joint statement by both that both "would respect the territorial claims of the other". Translation:"China wont protest Russia seizing Ukraine, if Russia doesnt complain about China seizing Taiwan'. Or thats what it looked like they were laying between the lines to me.

Russia's LACK of success in swiftly dispatching Ukraine has put strain on its relations with China...but has also tightened the bond...because Russia needs SOME one to trade with because of the international sanctions. Both India and China (who hate each other) are happy to trade with Russia. But Ji and China are all about international commerce and dont like uncertainty like a war going on endlessly, and wish Putin would wrap it up already because its bad for business.

And Putin may hafta go into hock to someone to pay for this war...like China maybe?

A year ago it came out in the news that China was changing the names of towns and places on its maps of the eastern reaches of the Russian Republic. Changing the names from the common current Russian names to...the old Chinese names they had before Russia acquired the lands back in Czarist times. May seem trivial to you or me. It did not seem trivial to Putin!

The war has revealed weakness not only in its military, but in Russian society in general, that China could seek to leverage.

I don't think Russia is generally seen as losing in Ukraine. Maybe it's debatable. Everything I come across suggests they have been slowly but steadily gaining the upper hand. It's been a slog, but the Russians have typically been relentless. They sort of lost their way under Gorbachev, but that's really the only time.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see them have to eat crow over Ukraine, but I don't see it happening.

I don't thunk Russia is seen as winning either. Russia's severely under-performed expectations.

Beyond that, the fact that Russia is overwhelmed by their invasion of Ukraine leaves Russia weak and distracted.

Likewise, if America invaded Canada and was still struggling three years later, even if the world agreed Canada was slowly losing, the underperformance of American forces would signal to other major powers that the US is much weaker than had been presumed.

Well that's one way of looking at it. I wish magz were still around. I am just commenting based on impressions from random things that pop up in news feeds. Like for example, Russia used to be really bad at drone warfare but now they've upped their game.

I don't think Russia is incapable of learning how to improve, but that doesn't mean they're winning let alone performing as well as people assumed they would.

Which day of the three day special operation are they on now?

Thats because they now get their drones and drone know-how from Iran.

And were talking about Goliath against David.

Even if Goliath stops loosing, and slowly gradually starts to beat up on David, Goliath still doesnt look good because he was expected to just stomp on David.

Yeah...Magz is AWOL. She kept her finger on the pulse of Eastern Europe for us here.

It illustrates how complicated strategic geopolitics are. China probably doesn't want to strain it's economic relationship with Europe and the US for the sake of Russia so is avoiding getting too swept up into the Ukraine maelstrom.

Russia has put itself in a position where China can (and probably has) leveraged their (Russian) reliance on Russian-Chinese trade. China of course is concurrently using the Russian war as a way of "termiting" it's way into Siberia. One sign is the name changes of border towns https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/13560

Putin is probably aware of what's going on (he is after all ex-KGB). But like Hitler in WWII he has attention on the western front and is biding his time before turning his attention back to the east.

Though its true that existence of nukes stops China from ever launching a bareknuckled war of aggression to...undo Russia's centuries past aggressive landgrabs in Asia.

But the above videos illustrates part of what were talking about. Russian Republic gradually making concessions to its stronger "friend" because Putin and Russia fall deeper into desperate isolation. Concessions that may turn into land concessions.

Even indirect land concessions like allowing more Chinese immigrants into the Russian far east...until the Chinese out number the ethnic Slavs in the region.

And not all of Siberia is an icebox. The southern ribbon of land that extends from beneath the Urals to the Pacific is rather temperate and arable.

But as time goes on more of the local industry and agriculture output from the region might be sold the few hundred miles to the south...in china, than will get shipped the THOUSANDS of miles west to the European part of the Russian Republic.

All of this could lead to more and more "pull" economic and cultural on the region from near Beijing than west from faraway Moscow...until the place breaks away altogether.